Re: Pakistan military runs 55 firms
Now I am really interested to know who runs the Navy Federal Credit Union who is about to mortgage my house.
Re: Pakistan military runs 55 firms
first i fail to understand why India worries on the topic.
second, the concerns under discussion which fall under the ‘public concerns’ category do have civilian audits which means they pay taxes too. now dont worry over who audits them because there’s only one body, the members of which are authorized for statutory audits.
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all forces have their own schools so obviously they are run by the forces like the country wide PAF colleges, Baharia institutes, Army Public Schools. and they do employ many civilians too, even as principals.
secondly in some othe schools, institutes, there is a forces influence, like the City School’s PAF chapter in Karachi; and ppl flock in millions to that branch leaving all other branches, readily willing to pay the higher fee. same happens with other military run institutes I mentioned above, ppl flock to them and consider them lucky and proud if they get educated in ay of those places why…?
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I agree that quality and standard of education in Navy, Airforce schools is very good and there is discipline...but at the end kya hamaari army ne in sab kaaamon ka theka le rakha hai...why have shaadi halls, and social clubs, and other things...wapda main army officer, wasa main army officer...whats the need...haris bhai army's sole purpose is to protect the boundaries...its a good initiative that they are trying to put a check on the corruption by placing their personnels in the department...but they can also be corrupt...my general question isn't army going a little overboard with all of this...Don't get me wrong I am proud of our nations army magar but the fact in most of the civilised countries army does not run businessess....well maybe some african countries i dunno
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Read my posts - it is because its budget is insufficient to cover the benefits package used to ensure healthy recruitment. The money raised by military run businesses is used to educate the families of current and former servicemen, to provide them with a high standard of free healthcare, to provide pensions, and to provide retraining for servicemen who leave.
The reason why the military must run businesses is because it does not receive funding from the government for its benefits programme. It must therefore run successful commercial ventures to raise these additional funds, or scrap welfare schemes and experience a corresponding drop in recruitment and retention.
Education:
2 Colleges
64 Schools
130,942 university scholarships
Vocational:
9 Technical Training Centres
66 Vocational Training Centres
2 Computer Science Institutes
Medical:
12 Hospitals
24 Day Health Centres
69 Pharmacies
Access to these benefits is for:
Released, retired and discharged personnel of the Regular armed forces who are citizens of Pakistan.
Legally wedded wives and widows of the above personnel.
Sons of ex-servicemen up to the age of 18 years - and beyond for education and technical training stipends.
Unmarried daughters of ex-servicemen - and divorced daughters until remarried.
Invalid sons of ex-servicemen for medical treatment (No age bars.)
Cadets of service academies invalided out of service for disabilities attributable to military service.
The military run businesses employ former military personnel rather than civilians simply because post-service employment is another benefit for military people.
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^ So is military a special level of citizenry? Why isn;t that capital given to women in the villages to start SMB's. This is the problem...you are taking public revenues as an institution, whose mandate is to fight wars, and running a venture capital fund with it, along with a trust. If you see nothing wrong with that...then Pakistan is in bigger trouble than ever before.
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The Pakistan Armed Forces have the biggest budget of any Pakistani institution. These businesses are simply to get even more money.
Even thousands of govt civilian posts are filled by serving and retired Army men.
The excuses given for soldiers becoming businessmen/bureaucrats,etc, are not followed by any professional Army on the world.
And plz don't try to blame this state on 'civilians'(ie.vast majority of Pak) not being able to do anything.
Behind the shiny uniforms and flashy weapons, the greedy unprofessionalism of Pak Army becomes more apparent every year.
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what makes you think India worries about this topic?
I also think you’re making the rest of it up by generalizing these military ‘businesses’ as ‘public concerns’. They are not.
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The flaw with your reasoning is that the army doesn’t use public money for business purposes. The military businesses are run using the revenues from the Fauji Foundation, Bahria Foundation, and Shaheen Foundation. Capital for new ventures are also provided from the revenues of the three foundations (which have expanded to have interests in everything from cereal production to power generation).
The foundations were originally established as charities along the lines of the American Legion, but several decades ago turned themselves into self-financing profitable businesses through careful investments in the late 40s and 50s.
Public money is not used to fund these business - the army cannot afford to, it already complains of having insufficient money to keep up with the arms race with India, let alone have excess left to invest.
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These military businesses are run along the lines of any other non-governmental private business. This includes being fully subject to tax laws and taxation.
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These businesses are not funded by public money. They are not taken into consideration when budget sizes are allocated.
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^ hein? isn't bthe military budget entirely public money? how can anything "owned" by the military be considered outside of its budget? How do these 'firms' get capital?
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If an Army runs the whole country then,…there is no 55 or 65 or,..1000 businesses everything is being run by army,…I couldn’t understand the logic of this topic,…what the big FUSS,…here..
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This is incorrect. The employees of all these firms have their salary and their pensions are care of the Pakistani exchequer since they are all serivng or retired military persons. I also believe that transportation and logistics costs are often skimmed from the military budget.
Can you think of any company that would not make a profit if it is free of the burden to pay salaries and pensions?
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prime example is Army or may its foundation runs largest logistic network in the country NLC
. if its even a private business then why they dont even bothered to register these vehicles as private ones, and pay taxes for registration and road taxes. all of these has army registrations but its sole use is business and making profit. they are using public roads they should also pay taxes as well. its a commercial organisation.
similar goes to FWO.#
as far as armymen working after retirement, its also common everywhere they work in different organsiations in UK US and other countries. they just dont highlight their army titles but in pakistan they do mention as kind of pride.
I have worked with few project managers in my company who are ex UK army colnals. so its not a taboo. but its how they get jobs in pakistan, they dont apply or go through any procedure, they just get appointed. :) as head of this head of that ****e. I am sure some of them are capable doing civillain jobs better too its just the forced appointment procedure. how on earth a capable person has to go through so many public service exams to acheive that and then one army retired baba comes in becomes a head of the department.
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The NLC and FWO are not army-run businesses. They are government state owned organizations staffed and equipped with a mixture of personnel and equipment seconded to the government from both military and civilian service.
http://www.pakroadusers.com/tsdi/tpgpppmi.htm
Both organisations are directly accountable to the Government of Pakistan, as are all state-owned organizations in Pakistan. They exist to allow the government to directly leverage military expertise in logistics and engineering.
The reason these two don’t pay taxes is that they are directly funded by taxes, being extensions of the state through the military. They are not profit centres.
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It is the old boys network in action. People would rather work with someone who they have worked with before and know to be competent, rather than hire someone who they have no personal experience of. It happens in many many fields of life, both government and private sector.