NYAhmadi yar, why are you doing so much tarla just for some daaru? haiN? come to our pind sometime...ghar di kaDhi, angooraN sangtareyaN di daaru...oah oah....you will foget Blue Label...if you want tainu naha diaN ge...:)
And next morning we can take bath in the tubewell's taaza taaza paani and afterwards go to Gurdwara or Masjid and do some hard praying.
ikk paasay Rabb da ghar,doojay paasay mai'khana ay,
idhar vi jaana painda ay, oudhar vi jana painda ay.
CM
Chann Yara, sometimes I feel that I should come and live permanently on your side of the border. Yar, there are so many restrictions on my side that it really becomes unbearable. People don’t understand that by giving people choices, true peace and equilibrium will be achieved. If people want to go to Masjid, they will still go, if people want to go to a bar they will go to bar, some will go to both, and yet there will be some who will go to neither. What is so hard to understand about such a concept?
The issue here is how to deal with drugs, and many people (sad to say that majority of Pakistanis) don’t understand what Heroine does to people. They seem to believe that people pick up Heroine to get high. Initially that may well be the reason, but after 2 or 3 months, their lives depend on that drug. They become “addicted” to this poison, and if they don’t get their “fix”, they pass out. They die. Alcohol is not like that. Someone addicted to Alcohol can survive.
It doesn’t mean that Heroine addiction will be completely diminished, it won’t. But by legalizing alcohol, Pakistan will take the necessary step to prevent many from picking up Heroine.
Studies suggest that there is no correlation between social status and drug addiction. People from all spectrums become addicted. Addiction is a sickness and not a deliberate act. We need to look at it from a sickness perspective and look for solutions. By looking it through Islami perspective, we are getting deeper into shit than we wish for. Islam offers no solutions for social diseases; it creates diseases by limiting the alternatives. Iran tried it, and Afghanistan is trying it. I don’t think majority of Pakistanis will want their motherland turn into another Afghanistan.
I am not sure if alchohol is legal in any muslim country, does any one know?
Moreover, heroin is dirt cheap in Pakistan, like a bag of heroin costs 50 rupees that is about the price of some snack.
Check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_720000/720471.stm
yeah make alcohol legal, but teach desis tameez to drink as well. Majority of desis pi pila kar aapay say bahar ho jatay hain.
NY, lets write a book on the ettiquettes of drinking.
NYAhmadi,
According to your analogy then prostitution should also be legalized. After the ban, ‘chaklas’ spread all over the posh localities in big cities and continued roaring business than ever.
FARID
Absolutely Fraudia. I am all for legalizing prostitution. I don’t see any thing wrong with that. Chakla at every corner, next to your neighborhood Karyana Store. Everything Char Aanay Pa. Special discount for large parties.
My earlier reply was in response to Farid and Not Fraudia. My oversight.
Fraudia Yar. Totally. Let’s compile a manual. But I believe there is no one way right or wrong way to consume. All ways lead to the same pleasure. I think the style develops with progressive use and developing a taste for a certain type. But you are right, Desi folks think there is no tomorrow when they drink. But I believe with easy and legal availability this will change.
Bottom up!
Hey NY,
I don wanna mess up you.
Its not BcuZ I am scared, but I don wanna waiste my energy in gutter
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You can say and demand ne thing you think is good for you, but is not neccesary that, every thing you think is always right
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One clarification is neccessary here, is that Islam in not mine!!! Islam is for every body, but for Kafirs, Mushriks and Hypocrates, there is only hell fire, no Salamti!!!
you said:
It is really true, because people looses shame, when they go far from Islam, you should have a good Idia of it.
Islam is not my religion, It is religion of Allah.
I am leaving it here, next time think before saying anything againt Islam,
I don’t want to use street lang again!!!
Alcohol is forbidden in Islam. Instead of finding a solution, don't try to blame Islam and its law.
Look in those countries where alcohol is legalised. Take England. Is crime rate low? No one of the highest in Europe. Have you ever seen statistics for deaths for drink driving? Alcohol leads to dates, dates lead to sex, sex leads to pregnancies, leads to single mothers, and then what? Born in a gutter, die in a gutter.
Mr Ahmadi (I hope you are not Kadyani but if you are that's your choice, I will not say anything to bring your beleifs into disrepute)legalising alcohol will not get rid of herion addiction but make the problem worse. Why not look at the ways to reform peoples with the education of Islam and morality. Our country is in desperate need of moral reforms. Discussions should occur but with positive outcomes and those one from which, us all can learn and gain and then make a difference with that knowledge
I beleive that alcohal is not going to do any good to Pakistan. Pakistan is a country which was created on the basis of Islam, that is the reason we splited with India, not because of our color, race or culture, but REligion.If you like to live like non-muslims why bother dividing India. We needed a place where we can live our lives according to Islam. Islam says do not drink, and if you call yourself a Muslim then better follow its orders or quit hiding behind Islam, because that way you are bringing a bad name to Islam. I hope that is not your mission.I was told that Qadyani people work for jews and do anything to promote their business and protect their interests, and that exactly what you are doing here. We all know most of the alchohal companies are owned by jews people. In America, after cracking down on the cigarettes the next target is alchohal and these companies need a new market outside the United States,but they cannot advertise openly so these companies use people like you who call themselves muslims but will do anything to hurt Islam for some Bucks.
The truth is neither you are a Pakistani nor a Muslim, infact, you tarnish the image of both.
I think Pakistan needs education,jobs, polish it's talented people. Computer is future, govt. should open cheap schools where people can learn hi tech edu, produce programers or other computer related jobs. etc. Drinking will only blunt their minds. Instead of legalizing alchohal give us suggestion to root out the cause which is causing this heroin problem. Show us how smartly you can think, positive solutions are welcome.
"MERI ZINDAGI KA MAQSAD TERAY DEEN KI SARFARAZI
MAIN ISI LIAY MUSALMAN MAIN ISI LIAY GHAZI"
[This message has been edited by SSultan (edited April 22, 2000).]
NY,
I am sure your intentions are good , when you talk about legalizing etoh...
There have been several models tried in the US, including using longterm morphoine to prevent addiction or at least prevent the complication from addiction , i.e crime and communicable deseases......it has failed miserably.
substititing one drug for other doesnt work..
I am all for freedom of etoh, only as part of freedom in general...Addiction is a menifestation of underlying apathy and dissatisfaction, which needs to be reversed...
A pakistani today doesnt stand to lose much , his life isnt worth all that , and there is little hope to make much out of it....some pl give up easier/earlier then others...
According to report of World Health organization, World Bank and Harvard Univ. 3.5% Pakistanis drink excessive liqour. If NY times report is right, it means 1% are drug addicts. Maybe they are same people, may be different.
There are many reasons. I would like to know similar statistics in India and Bangladesh.
In India drug menance is worst in Manipur. I dont think liquor is banned there.
Making liquour legal, may not reduce drug problem. It will just give govt. some more money which will be used as unproductively as before.
Education, writing about these problems in newspapers and TV, would help a lot. If Pakistani media gives 10% of the attention to these problems as they give to kashmir issue, it will go a long way.
Dear ZZ, studies suggest that prohibition on Alcohol gives rise to illicit use of contrabands. The Drug use has been on consistent rise since the banning of alcohol in Pakistan. Legalizing it will only be a one small step forward towards fighting drug addiction. The other steps are education, outreach, etc., as you mention.
One of the menaces of drugs and sharing hypodermic needles is HIV. In many opinions, it is knocking at Pakistan’s doorsteps. It is only a matter of time that AIDS will become an epidemic of unrivaled interlude. Pakistan is prepared the least about that.
We can either sweep the problem under the rug (we have a habit of doing that) or fight it heads on. I prefer the later approach.
Iss Waqat main nashay
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main houn jab hosh aaye gaa to sharab
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haraam hai kaa fatwaa dae dia jaie gaa.
Peer sahib
I might have known it. I leave for a few days and NYA is trying to turn our beautiful country into a nation of lushes.
yar samjhnay ki koshash kar.
Do we really want to be transformed into red-faced, pot-bellied dolts? Or is that already the case? Besides - if drinking were legalised it wouldn't be as much fun - for those that indulge. Would Attaullah's ghazals have the same fire and passion? Just think...if he hadn't drank to such excess he would still be a silver tongued crooner who melted the ladies hearts instead of a beached whale who has to sing verses in between gasps of breath.
your Xtremely insightful
Mr Xtreme
"Absolutely Fraudia. I am all for legalizing prostitution. I don’t see any thing wrong with that."
NYA....are you trying to say that if your daughter or sister or wife wants to start this profession it would be fine with you....just like legalizing alcohol in Pakistan is okay....execuse moa!
I think everone should know by now that what message he is trying to convey....
Xtreme Yar, I have to give you for a thoughtful and conscientious response. I value that more than I value someone who may agree with my views. Rung on the other hand is still at negligent stage.
Dear Rung, My idea of prostitution is somewhat different than what you may think. It is not just about my “mothers” or “sisters”, but also about my “fathers” and “brothers”. See, the only thing I hate about prostitution is that there are places where “sexually frustrated men” can go (i.e., Brothels) to satisfy their needs, but there are no such places for women. It should be an equal opportunity environment. What do you say?
Also, if prostitution was legal, no one will view this trade as disrespectful or see it as an instrument of demonizing society. In a right mindset, just as one may say, “My mom is a Lawyer”, could also say “O my Dad is a male prostitute”. Is that such a terrible thing to imagine?
This topic is about Alcohol and Drugs, let’s stay focused.