chinese logic makes sense use pakistn to tie up india from emerging as competitor
Chinese logic makes sense, but so does Pakistani logic: use china to improve economy, improve defense.
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Originally posted by rvikz:
chinese logic makes sense use pakistn to tie up india from emerging as competitor
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Chinese logic makes sense, but so does Pakistani logic: use china to improve economy, improve defense
Exactly for our own national interests. We can’t help it if the Indians can’t find suitable and useful allies to take on the might of Great China, and so have to look on so enviously at our relations with China. And we can’t help it if the United States can’t accept the rise and rise of China to world power.
Pakistan will continue to build and build on its economic and miltary cooperation with Great China.
The agenda and the date of Sattar’s US visit could not be finalised until late this week because diplomats in Washington, Islamabad, and New Delhi were involved in intensive behind-the-scene parleys to finalise issues. These are the issues, which would come up for discussion during Musharraf-Vajpayee meeting.
“Sattar wanted to carry something meaningful with him regarding the forthcoming summit between the South Asian rivals,” a foreign diplomat said.
“Immediate resolution of the Kashmir issue does not concern the US,” the diplomat said, “Washington is more concerned about OBL (Osama bin Laden) and Pakistan’s nuclear programme.”
The diplomat said Pakistan would have to pacify US concerns to get the sanctions lifted since most of these were slapped for Islamabad’s pursuance of its nuclear programme. The issue of restoration of democracy in Pakistan appears to be is at lowest priority of the US and Islamabad’s assurances on nuclear programme would figure prominently in the lifting of sanctions, the diplomat believed.
Apparently on the issue of Kashmir as well, Pakistan has dropped hints at the highest level that it might be ‘flexible’ on its stated position about the disputed territory of Kashmir with India. The new Bush Administration, perceiving China as its main rival, wants to establish close ties with India to pursue its controversial Nuclear Missile Defense plan.
“To strengthen Indian position in the region, the US wants Islamabad to settle all its outstanding issues with New Delhi,” the diplomat said. Cash-starved Pakistan with a wobbling economy, has few options but to know the US line, say analysts.
Source rvkiz? As if I can’t guess…
Thank you rvikz and do you know what this little news item says? It constantly quotes some “foreign diplomat”. Now what’s the betting that this foreign diplomat is an American? Only an American would say that ‘democracy in Pakistan was the lowest priority and Osama bin Laden was the highest priority’. And the rest…
I believe a Chinese minister has visited Pakistan to survey Gwadar either yesterday or the day before that...
any link?
Yes here is the story from yesterday’s Dawn.
http://www.dawn.com/2001/06/10/top12.htm
China assures of help for Gwadar sea port
GWADAR, June 9: The Chinese Communication Minister, Huang Zhendong, said on Saturday that China would extend all possible assistance for the development and expansion of Gwadar port.
The Chinese minister held out the assurance during a visit to Gwadar. He was accompanied by members of his entourage, besides Federal Communication Minister Javed Ashraf Kazi, Secretary Communication Iftikhar Rashid and Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan Lu Shu Lin. Huang Zhendong observed that Gwadar Port project enjoyed an extra-ordinary importance for the economic development of Pakistan and there was a need for its completion on priority basis.
He described friendship between Pakistan and China a model and said the mutual cooperation
between the two countries would grow further in the coming years. He said Chinese cooperation in Pakistan’s communication sector would continue.
Speaking on the occasion, Javed Ashraf Kazi said that friendship between Pakistan and China had stood the test of time and this relationship would further consolidate in future. He pointed out that China was already extending cooperation to Pakistan’s projects in the communication sector.
However, there was a need to further augment this cooperation. He said that ports played an important role in economic progress and that was why the government was keen to develop and expand Gwadar port on priority basis to help accelerate the pace of economic progress and in view of its defence needs. He said it was encouraging that China would cooperate in this regard.
The Gwadar port project, he said, would not only gear up the pace of economic development in the area and create job opportunities, but the friendly countries would also benefit from it.-APP
With a chinese-Pakistani port at Gawadar on 30 in boeat ride to the Arabian Sea, China will be able to exhert its pressure on the US supply lines of Oil. Pakistan gets Economic and Military Support in Return and becomes a threat to almost all. Indian Defence is primaraly based on an attack on Karachi. It also furtheres Pakistans defence to have further options and greater defence. All in all
Hell for India and the USA.
Nicely put TW. Now you see why the Indians and the USA are so worked up over Great China and Pakistan increasing and expanding the scope of their economic and military relations. With Gwadur Pakistan will truly become a West/Central Asian power.
official media Monday urged India to cherish the hard-won friendship between the two countries and not to raise the ‘China threat’ theory time and again that could damage bilateral ties. "The hard-won friendship between the two nations should be cherished, not abused," the state-run China Daily said in an editorial criticizing the recent ministry of defense annual (mod)report 2000 which said all major Indian cities were within the range of Chinese missiles.
"The Indian defense ministry's report last week is nothing more than old tricks. Such a move is against the positive development of relations between the two countries," it said. "After experiencing many ups and downs, both China and India have realized that a friendly China-India relationship is good for both sides," the editorial said while recalling the near freeze in Sino-Indian relations following India's nuclear tests in may, 1998.
"It is nothing new that India should use the excuse of a fabricated ‘China threat’ to expand its military might. India astonished the world in may 1998 when it conducted five nuclear tests on the grounds that it had to counter a China threat," the paper said.
"As is known to all, it was completely out of self-defense considerations that China developed its nuclear weapons. China has already promised that it will never be the first one to use nuclear weapons," it said while commenting on Defence Minister Jaswant Singh's statement that the government has approved a plan to develop long- range missiles.
The China Daily recalled that President K.R. Narayanan as well as external affairs minister Jaswant Singh have claimed that India and China should not threaten each other. "But they are now betrayed by the defense ministry's report," China's lone national English-language newspaper said adding "the latest edition of the ‘China threat’ theory in the report makes India's attitude to China look equivocal".
It said since 1999, India and China have "managed to improve their previously strained ties" and that chairman of the National People's Congress (NPC), Li Peng visited India in January this year while President K.R. Narayanan visited China last year. "The two countries also made a substantial breakthrough earlier last year in negotiations on boundary problems, which helped guarantee peace and tranquility in the border area" it said.
The mod report has also been criticized by China's leading official newspaper, the People's Daily last week. The mouthpiece of the ruling Communist Party of China (CPC) said in the year 1998, the then defense minister George Fernandes talked about ‘China threat’ and then India conducted five nuclear tests which shook the whole world.
"China does not think this as a wise and responsible move," the People's Daily on-line edition said in an article on the mod report. It said after 1998, Sino-Indian relations have been developing in a good direction, thanks to the joint efforts made by leaders of the sides. "Leaders of both countries have realized that continuous development and improvement in Sino-Indian relations is in the basic interest of the peoples of both countries," the paper said while urging New Delhi not to damage bilateral ties.
rvikz, the way you Indians are reacting over the PAK-China friendship it is you guys who should decide what you want form China? Friendship or confrontation? If you want friendship then you will have no problem with the very special relationship that Pakistan and China have?
The passion with which indians show off their newly found friendship with india (and some pakistani mourn the loss of a "friend") reminds me of a bygone era when the only ambition of indian princes was to win favor of "gora sahib".... slavish mentality can never change..
as for china... pa chin choi wan khoi...pak chin doosti zinda bad... long live pak china friendship.... this has withstood the tests of time....
as for pak-us relations well its has failed every test.... US govt is nobodys friend.... they use 3rd world countries like toilet paper.... now its india turn to do their dirty work.... and indians are soooooo happy.
i would say "bakhsho bi billi choha landoora he bhalla"
The proposed Gwadar port is a very beautiful development in the geostrategic sense.
Gwadar is a most awe-inspiring place, and having been there I can say that it also has tourism potential.
Let's look at the probable outcome of t he Gwadar port being operational.
iN THE FIRST STAGE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER GWADAR IS OPERATIONAL: Whether or not China will be able to exert its influence on the Middle East and the Straits of Hormuz is another matter, but Pakistan will certainly be in a very favorable strategic posture.
However, my opinion is that the development of this port will be of strategic benefit only for about a decade, accruing in the form of greater leverage for Pakistan in the West, including future Western arms sales to Pakistan.
Pakistan will remain in a good position to dictate and blackmail the West into concessions on various military and strategic issues such as CTBT, Eurofighter sales, etc.
The US may also want to operate its own airbase in Pakistan near Gwadar, Bahrain style, in order to have a pincer on Iran.
THE SECOND STAGE:
Around the year 2015: the foreign policy and related geostrategic benefits derived from the port will diminish sharply. This will be due to the fact that Iranian and Pakistani policy concerning the Arabian Sea and the Persian Gulf will probably converge, and become more or less mutual, and Gwadar will lose its strategic significance to Pakistan alone.
The West will be more alienated at this point.
Thereafer, Gwadar port will be of only military and commercial value and a station to Pakistani, Chinese and Iranian navies. It will lose its foreign policy benefits.
It will, however, retain its military strategic benefits.
[This message has been edited by alizadeh2000 (edited June 12, 2001).]
Thereafer, Gwadar port will be of only military and commercial value and a station to Pakistani, Chinese and Iranian navies
Yes but at least it will make these three powers a great and formidable force in the Middle East, which no doubt would be able to check American designs in the region. Pakistan will truly be a regional power os great power and significance.
When I visited Gwadar in 1995, I had actually wished of seeing a bustling modern city instead of this beautiful villiage-town.
Gwadar is a natural harbor with a wide cove-like bay that is encircled by land formations jutting out into the sea. It is a perfect little place straight our of a Lawrence of Arabia fantasy.
Two colours strike you: gold and blue. The gold of the sandy cliffs, the narrow sandy beach, and the barren mountainside to the northwest, completely devoid of any vegetation. It is a total desert, and perhaps thats the beauty of the place.
Right now its nothing more than a drab little down in the center of an dramatically cut desert landscape at the edge of a deep azure sea with sheer cliffs rising on two sides, sea to the third side, and a gradually ascending plain to the fourth side.
In the middle of the town, overlooking the sea is an ancient fort made of yellow brick and mortar, of non-Indic architechture that imparts a curious Mediterranean feel to the scenery.
The economy of the place is as backward as any old villiage of Pakistan. The people are a mixture of Baluchi and Makrani. Not far from Gwadar are the ship-breaking yards that really pollute the landscape of nearby towns.
Keeping in view all of the above, Gwadar as a city as big as Karachi would be more vulnerable to attack during a war, due to its relative geographical isolation from the rest of the country by surrounding mountainsides.
Road logisitics from Gwadar to interior Baluchistan would be much, much costlier than laying roads from Karachi.
Gwadar would be best as an military outpost, combined with a medium scale tourist resort. I would not be in favor of making it a metropolitan center.
[This message has been edited by alizadeh2000 (edited June 12, 2001).]
I’ve put some pictures of Gwadar at the Image Gallery, the link is:
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum26/HTML/002870.html
Please add to the pictures if you find more.
Woh thats Gwadur. Beautiful pictures and it does indeed show the potential of Gwadur even for tourists. Inshallah Gwadur will become one of the major ports of the greater gulf region.
Thanks Ali..
so you are going to choke the oil supply to the world-- mallik you are a good fiction writer