Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

[BindazChakkar]

Re: Pakistan ‘backed Haqqani attack on Kabul’ - Mike Mullen

@yazdi

Can you deny the fact that Pakistan is a home for all sort of terrorist groups with or without official support. Who has suffered the most in the hands of these terrorist.. we lost 35,000 people just in suicidal attacks in past 10 years. We had bomb blasts in every major city of our country. What have we done to clean our house…???

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@hanibal

and because of this, Pakistan should be attacked?

Because 40,000+ Pakistani people ( civilians and armed forces) have been killed US should attack Pakistan?

Who supply weapons and arms to these terrorists groups? who shelter them when Pakistan act against them.. which country have safe havens for these terrorist groups, yes the country in which US is sitting and the same country where they have been getting the same lesson they were taught by Vietnamese, we had some problem before Americans came here, almost every country had problems with crimes, drug dealers and mafias, we had it in form of religious extremist…

No house can be cleaned if there is Sand-Storm… it is simple as that…

Actually both of you are saying same thing - which is it needs cleaning up. Only you are pointing out that it’s got to be done on both sides (Pakistan and Afghanistan)

Pakistan being invaded is not because 40k people died there - it is because the fact & perception is that the Pak military is refusing to march against the terrorist groups (they may have their rationale for that). So either Pak & US as partners should sit down and convince each other on the right course. This has not happened because of the compulsion of the Pak military to be seen by Pak public as anti-US.

In other words, IMO the Pak interests (political ?) and factions by using the anti-US card have actually made it impossible for Pak army to work with the US!

[Captain1]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

@yazdi

Unite us against what?

Do you think China will stand with us in any war like situation..

This ghairat brigade is trying to push us in to a war with US.. Okay we are more or less united in this country as far as our anti US sentiment is concerned. But really what benefit will it bring to our economy. Can we afford to go in isolation with current economic situation with population of 180 million with nothing to offer the world. If we are pushed in to isolation, the world will barely notice because of our economic contribution to the world. Who will suffer from this situation..???

I hope people are sensible enough to realize the reality..!!!

For once we need to stop looking at ching ching, we need to see what is good for us as nation, morals or money? We have seen money is not doing good, we continue to debate "what if US aid is stopped" every other day. If we decide to side with US 100% all we will get is another bucket of $$$ at the cost of nation's remaining morale, remaining trust in ourselves as nation/country. What we need is to take a stand on what we believe is right, yes we need to eliminate terrorists from amongst us but that is our job and we should be doing it without looking at aid from outside for doing it.

[yamahaguy]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

Pakistan has not given any substantial reason for their decision of not cleaning up Haqqani taliban from waziristan...What has National Sovereignty got to do with cleaning up of Taliban???

Fact is there is portion of ISI and Pak Fauj that has been Talibanized itself...action against haqqani taliban might cause a serious differences within ISI/Pak Army

[kakaballi]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

'Cleaning up' doesn't necessarily have to involve armed action. The only way is to bring armed militants into mainstream through debate and dialogue. Army needs to play active role here and stop supporting these organizations for strategic reasons. As long as Pakistan military continues playing double game with the USA, civilians would continue to suffer.

[Sachaydino]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

@kakaballi

'Cleaning up' doesn't necessarily have to involve armed action. The only way is to bring armed militants into mainstream through debate and dialogue. Army needs to play active role here and stop supporting these organizations for strategic reasons. As long as Pakistan military continues playing double game with the USA, civilians would continue to suffer.

Well said. In addition to that America will continue tactics like removing OBL humiliating army and the ISI. This double game was started by Musharraf for grabbing dollars, now that double cross strategy is obvious therefoe not acceptable to Sam.

[BindazChakkar]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

@kakaballi

'Cleaning up' doesn't necessarily have to involve armed action. The only way is to bring armed militants into mainstream through debate and dialogue. Army needs to play active role here and stop supporting these organizations for strategic reasons. As long as Pakistan military continues playing double game with the USA, civilians would continue to suffer.

It is too late to try and reason with some of these extremists. How and why would you want to reason with a group that hides a bomb inside a camera when they were invited to come for a discussion?

[rangoli]

Re: Pakistan ‘backed Haqqani attack on Kabul’ - Mike Mullen

**NEW YORK: **Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar says the Haqqani network that the US holds responsible for last week’s attack on the American embassy in Kabul was the Central Investigation Agency’s (CIA) “blue-eyed boy” for many years.
Responding to questions during an interview with Al Jazeera, Khar, who is in New York leading Pakistan’s delegation at the UN General Assembly, rejected US accusations against the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, saying it has no links to the Haqqani network.
“**If we talk about links, I am sure the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) also has links with many terrorist organisations around the world, by which we mean intelligence links,” **she said.

**“And this particular network, which [the United States] continues to talk about, is a network which was the blue-eyed boy of the CIA itself for many years.”

“I just hope that we will be given a chance to cooperate with each other and the doors will remain open – because statements like this are pretty much close to shutting those doors,”** she added.

Replying to a question, the foreign minister said that drone attacks not only violated Pakistan’s sovereignty, they were also counterproductive, and greatly angered the people of Pakistan.
“I think we must not be tested more than we have the ability to bear,” she added.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/260696/haqqani-network-was-blue-eyed-boy-of-cia-khar/](http://tribune.com.pk/story/260696/haqqani-network-was-blue-eyed-boy-of-cia-khar/)

Well Said Khar!

[yazdi]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

@Captain1

For once we need to stop looking at ching ching, we need to see what is good for us as nation, morals or money? We have seen money is not doing good, we continue to debate "what if US aid is stopped" every other day. If we decide to side with US 100% all we will get is another bucket of $$$ at the cost of nation's remaining morale, remaining trust in ourselves as nation/country. What we need is to take a stand on what we believe is right, yes we need to eliminate terrorists from amongst us but that is our job and we should be doing it without looking at aid from outside for doing it.

I am not against patriotism.. I am just against this definition of national interest by the military establishment.

If you want to rise up for the country.. start doing something to control the population growth. Raise your voice for the construction of Kalabagh dam which will bring an additional 2.8 million acres of land under cultivation, give Kareef water to an additional 2 million acres, will help you control the annual ritual of flood disaster, and give you 6000 MW of electricity at under Re 1/ per unit. Do something for the education in Pakistan.. earn foreign exchange for Pakistan through exports.. at least keep your money deposited in Pakistani banks from where it can be injected in to Pakistani productive channels..

I don't care what US is doing. Let the Afghanis go to hell after US leaves Afghanistan if they want to.. nobody can harm us if we are strong internally. We don't need any internal assets in Afghanistan at the expense of our people.

There is a global consensus against militant adventures against civilian populations by the terrorist. We get angry when there is a bomb blast in Marriott Islamabad, Moon Market Lahore or Shia procession in Karachi. Our people die, our economy suffers. Why we have to protect the militants of any type what-so-ever. Why every Osama, Baitullah, Fazlullah, Libby, Masood Azhar, Dawood Ibrahim, Haqqani, Quetta Shura, Lashkar this, Lashkar that is discovered from Pakistan. Why can't we clean all this filth from our country once for all.

If you want to do something for the country.. If you want to stand up for the country... raise your voice against this filth. If we don't clean our house.. believe me someone else will come and clean our house and they will not be sensitive to our innocent population. If we don't clean our house today.. they will use carpet bombing, daisy cutters, bunker busters to clean our house tomorrow. And if you think it is not possible.. wait till there is another terrorist attack on American soil with 300/400 casualties (God forbid)... In present situation the question is not if such attack will happen... it's when this will happen..

It's not about dollars and morals... it's about overconfident arrogance mixed up with stupidity.. and the first step towards sanity will be to accept that we have a huge religious militancy problem threatening not only us but the entire world... We don't need any Haqqanis to protect us after US leaves Afghanistan.. we need a strong vibrant economically viable Pakistan to safeguard us from any external threat..

[Captain1]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

@yazdi

I am not against patriotism.. I am just against this definition of national interest by the military establishment.

If you want to rise up for the country.. start doing something to control the population growth. Raise your voice for the construction of Kalabagh dam which will bring an additional 2.8 million acres of land under cultivation, give Kareef water to an additional 2 million acres, will help you control the annual ritual of flood disaster, and give you 6000 MW of electricity at under Re 1/ per unit. Do something for the education in Pakistan.. earn foreign exchange for Pakistan through exports.. at least keep your money deposited in Pakistani banks from where it can be injected in to Pakistani productive channels..

I am with you on that, but it is a responsibility whether US is here or not, and it is the responsibility of our "civilians" and not the military establishment.

@yazdi

I don't care what US is doing. Let the Afghanis go to hell after US leaves Afghanistan if they want to.. nobody can harm us if we are strong internally. We don't need any internal assets in Afghanistan at the expense of our people.

Unfortunately if US, UK, France or even Mongolia decides to send Afghanistan to hell we won't be left alone, there will be another huge influx of refugees, regardless of our strengths our country will face the chaos again. Its not like we have good border control so whatever is done with neighbor we can look other way and we will be okay.

@yazdi

There is a global consensus against militant adventures against civilian populations by the terrorist. We get angry when there is a bomb blast in Marriott Islamabad, Moon Market Lahore or Shia procession in Karachi. Our people die, our economy suffers. Why we have to protect the militants of any type what-so-ever. Why every Osama, Baitullah, Fazlullah, Libby, Masood Azhar, Dawood Ibrahim, Haqqani, Quetta Shura, Lashkar this, Lashkar that is discovered from Pakistan. Why can't we clean all this filth from our country once for all.

Unfortunately none of our two "heores" do anything for us, neither army nor civilian government. People like Rana Sanaullah openly attend jalsa jaloos with militants and our "blood civilian" government looks the other way.

[EyEsOnSkY]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

@kakaballi

'Cleaning up' doesn't necessarily have to involve armed action. The only way is to bring armed militants into mainstream through debate and dialogue. Army needs to play active role here and stop supporting these organizations for strategic reasons. As long as Pakistan military continues playing double game with the USA, civilians would continue to suffer.

This all game about double game USA playing even tripple role in it :D:
sometime agencies need to play double game.

[Decent_6Chora]

Re: Pakistan ‘backed Haqqani attack on Kabul’ - Mike Mullen

mujhey yaad hai zara zara, tumheen yaad ho k na yaad ho…

Any guess who is on the mic in first pic? :hmmm:
tadddaaa… Jalal Uddin Haqqani

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/294124_264572853573057_200003136696696_858704_1343831045_n.jpg

[Sarsaparilla]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

America (as Mao said) is a paper tiger. All words and no balls. Pakistan has no reason to fear them. Pakistani army can take care of US army anytime anyplace. They don't even need PLA (that is Chinese army for you kids) to help them. (Chinese army has not been tested in a war theatre since 1979 anyway, Pak army is battle hardened). Kargill taught India that one Muslim soldier equals 10 Hindu soldiers. Let America learn that one Muslim soldier equals 100 American soldiers gora ya kala.

[Captain1]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

America (as Mao said) is a paper tiger. All words and no balls. Pakistan has no reason to fear them. Pakistani army can take care of US army anytime anyplace. They don't even need PLA (that is Chinese army for you kids) to help them. (Chinese army has not been tested in a war theatre since 1979 anyway, Pak army is battle hardened). Kargill taught India that one Muslim soldier equals 10 Hindu soldiers. Let America learn that one Muslim soldier equals 100 American soldiers gora ya kala.

shabash for your "kind words", now back to Rediff please.

[mo293]

Re: Pakistan 'backed Haqqani attack on Kabul' - Mike Mullen

shabash for your "kind words", now back to Rediff please.

hehe or back to saffron school..LOL

[mo293]

Re: Pakistan ‘backed Haqqani attack on Kabul’ - Mike Mullen

@Decent_6Chora

mujhey yaad hai zara zara, tumheen yaad ho k na yaad ho…

Any guess who is on the mic in first pic?
tadddaaa… Jalal Uddin Haqqani

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/294124_264572853573057_200003136696696_858704_1343831045_n.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dj7hueuj-U0/SwTMFd_4jUI/AAAAAAAABVg/dWhQPnEHox4/s1600/Reagan+with+Taliban.jpg

Stop spreading lie bout amreeka, you wait until yamahahahahaha comes out swinging for insulting his massa…