Re: Pakistan arrests top al Qaeda member
Well, was he celebrating it? And were any allegations of his celebrating it proven in a court of law with witnesses testifying under oath?
Or do we now live in an era where unproven allegations are sufficient to justify extrajudicial killings?
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You in your trademark blind hatred have just labelled all the poor and innocent iraqi civillians who were picked by in wide sweeps or for petty crimes and had nothing to do with insurgency as killers of other civillians…The poor men who were subjected to the torture were later released and were widely interviewed afterwards…They had nothing to do with insurgency…
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Any proof of these wide sweeps? And no al Jazeera does not count.
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No, thats just sum idiotic allegation this fascist just concocted to justify this celebrating the killing of an innocent…
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You’re making the assumption that they are all guilty, despite hardly any of them having access to a court of law.
Indeed, many of these people get arrested an imprisoned merely on the unproven allegations of their personal enemies, or for simply being young andmale in a neighbourhood where troops are making a sweep and not being submissive fast enough.
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No, but in the link you posted, a poster, I think it was antiobl, stated that his MMA buddies were celebrating it.
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Nice gig for Musharraf and Bush.
Repeat
(
Announce reward for random arab
Name him Al misri, Al Libbi, Al Maruki, Al Jordani, Al Iraqi etc.
Increase reward
Announce that Al <Insert name> is Al Qaeda Number 3
Capture him
Put him in safe house
IF Time = 6 months, announce "arrest" and get tareefs
Time++
)
Until Baksheesh keeps flowing
:)
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http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2005/04/red-cross-confirms-riot-at-us-run.php
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Ok, so we now live in in an era where allegations posted on pakistani web forums justify extraducial murders, right?
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They may have caught him whenever, doesn’t matter. What I am saying is, his is an unknown name. Whats to say he is just a two-bit arab, caught of the streets and then beaten like a pulp and now paraded as the third highest ranking Al-Qaida person in the world. If he was such a high-ranking person, where was his name in the Most Wanted List before his capture?
To be fair, may be he was in one of those lists, I don’t know… as I don’t follow their shenigans all too closely. The only three names we hear again and again are Osama Bin Laden, Al-Zawahiri and Abu Musab Al Zarqawi. Tell me when they capture any of them.
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Well fine, but given the facts, MMA people are definitely not angels, certainly anti-Shia, and it would not be surprising to me one bit if they were celebrating the deaths of Shias.
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Kinda my point too.
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Well I was talking to a DIG in Pakistan last year about this and he mentioned that to break into the cell based structure is quite hard. He had apprehended a few Al-Qaeeda low level operatives, he mentioned that initially theu would release the information right away to the press but that would alert other cells to chnge structure /location. By keeping it low profile and only capturing the cell folks they can get some more information. Of course the window to interrogate and extort info regarding others is very small and most of the time it doesnt work sicne the cells only know about themselves and only one person that knows about the other cells in the vicinity(and that too depends on the type of cell). So at the end this is a psyhop/ playing their game to apprehend them.
He also mentioned that it is very hard to get info out of them no matter how hard of a Jismani Remand (physical abuse) they are put through.
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If I am not mistaken does the MMA not have a major Shia party (Tehrik-e-Jafriya?) led by Allama Sajjid Naqvi as one of it's six compenent parties?
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Then that’s very sad if its true.
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Here it is: Although, I could not find one from Times of India or VHP’s official publication, none the less, its still valid…
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact
TORTURE AT ABU GHRAIB
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?
Issue of 2004-05-10
Posted 2004-04-30
In the era of Saddam Hussein, Abu Ghraib, twenty miles west of Baghdad, was one of the world’s most notorious prisons, with torture, weekly executions, and vile living conditions. As many as fifty thousand men and women—no accurate count is possible—were jammed into Abu Ghraib at one time, in twelve-by-twelve-foot cells that were little more than human holding pits.
In the looting that followed the regime’s collapse, last April, the huge prison complex, by then deserted, was stripped of everything that could be removed, including doors, windows, and bricks. The coalition authorities had the floors tiled, cells cleaned and repaired, and toilets, showers, and a new medical center added. Abu Ghraib was now a U.S. military prison. **Most of the prisoners, however—by the fall there were several thousand, including women and teen-agers—were civilians, many of whom had been picked up in random military sweeps and at highway checkpoints. **They fell into three loosely defined categories: common criminals; security detainees suspected of “crimes against the coalition”; and a small number of suspected “high-value” leaders of the insurgency against the coalition forces.
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TJP's been banned apparently.
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It’s under a new name: Tehrik e Islami
Sad to see a Shia party in cahoots with Talibani mullahs.
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That is correct. The Shia Tehrik-i-Jafriya was outlawed by the Pakistani Government as being a sectarian terrorist organization and its leader imprisoned. Whilst in prison, Allama Sajjid Naqvi allied with the fledgling MMA, who pressurised Musharraf into freeing Naqvi to give the MMA a sixth, Shia party in addition to its 5 constituent parties.
Naqvi is currently the Vice-President of the MMA. The presence of him and his party makes the MMA the sole non-sectarian religious political platform in Pakistan.
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err sajid naqvi had to stand a tough trial, there was no evidence found against him, all charges were dropped an he was released. MMA had protested against his arrest, but the gov. would hear none of it.