Pak has better channce of challenging Aus than SA/Pak set to challenge Aus

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

:smiley: the most funniest things of this century. Playing Pakistan, putting up a mammoth 328 total, ealier a double century, several centuries, a historic hat-trick of the best batsmen in the batting line. Thats not enough to prove India is exploding in every possible way, but yet they were beaten badly by Pak in tests and are seeing a rough ride in ODI.

The realistic assessment would be that compare to 2004 young and inexperience Pakistani team of rebuilding phase has matured now to beat India and England back to back. This is evident from last years’ drawn series with India and WI on how they finally turned the table. Besides in ODIs, India is getting enough thrashing, but you still can’t see the tide.

After 2004 historic defeat, in last 15 ODI, Pak won 11 where as India won only 4, that talks about volumes.

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

Smoothy, a small correction. After 2004 defeat in ODI series, Pakistan has played 11 ODI with India and won 9 (including the last one in Peshawar). Thats make the winning % even better than yours which was 73.
9 out of 11 is 81% .
I guess vinishvk wants Pakistan to make it 100% :D

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

Bhai,
I dont have problem accepting the truth. Wish some of the established hatemongers guppies( You are not in the list) did the same.

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

^^^ ahahhhmmmmmmm Keya Kaha? :D

FOB Dil Pey Maat Ley Yaaar

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

Before completing u guys are at my throat. I didnt compare India and pakistan.
The point of discussion was how Pakistan could have challenged Australia.

I dont like comparison, and i hate to compare. But I would say what India need to do to be challenging to Australia. :). So lets learn from our mistakes.

If u keep jingoism to one side, the reason why India has a screwed up ratio with pakistan is because of the bowling. Indian bowlers especialy in this series are not able to put the ball at correct places. Its not about pace but more about line and length. While indian bowlers lacked that Pakistan found an excellent find in Asif. In the 2005 india tour rana and sami made a difference while this time they are inconsequential.
Simple thing to do is to blood in bowlers. Whatever it is they are not going to go for more runs then the experienced fellows anyway.
To f&b yes they batted well, but also our batsmen too. Even in the last odi there was not much to choose between.
Inzamams captaincy is not that great. (that doesnt mean Dravids captaincy is excellent, I had high hopes of him). Salmans and Yusuf averages best agaisnt India. Even then i think Salmans average is only in the lower 30s. They hardly played outside their country in the last years.
I will waite for Pakistan to tour England to see how these people perform against England in england.
For Indians all we need is one bowler. Find him and we can set right the equation.

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

^ again your analysis do not belong to the topic. Question is, is Pakistan the team that can challenge world champions or its Saffis?

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

exactly...Question here is which team is 2nd best in ODI.Is it SA,PAK,IND or ENG?

IND and ENG are definitly behind SA and PAK. Among SA and PAK my vote goes to PAK.

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

SA was absolutely embarrassing to watch on this tour to Australia. Bunch of overhyped and overrated players. Wouldn't be surprised if they slip further down the rankings.

Pakistan can probably defeat Australia in subcontinental conditions. But we need to prove ourselves outside the subcontinent before staking any serious challenges.

Re: Waugh Backing Pak, saying PAk has better channce of challenging Aus than SA.

And that is why I was asking to provide bouncy practice pitches to the players so they can have technique to play in any conditions.

‘Pakistan set to challenge Australia’

‘Pakistan set to challenge Australia’

SYDNEY, Feb 8: While England made headlines with their entertaining Ashes win over Australia, Pakistan quietly build up strength to position themselves for their next tilt at cricket champions.

After being demolished 3-0 in 2004-05, Pakistan didn’t go away and sulk; instead, they weighed up their options and have been steadily building their arsenal.

“A comprehensive Test series win against England and now a victory over India is proof of their correct approach,” noted former Australian captain Ian Chappell.

“Pakistan now have a deep squad of players who are aggressive and versatile and second only in those qualities to Australia,” he said.

“Any list of champion teams always has one common denominator –- a strong and varied bowling attack with at least one pace spearhead.

“Now that Shoaib Akhtar has got his act together, Pakistan have a reliable spearhead and fact that they have luxury of two explosive all-rounders in Shahid Afridi and Abdul Razzaq, means there is plenty of variety in their attack,” Chappell said.

“In addition, Afridi and Razzaq are bowling all-rounders — a breed worth their weight in gold.”

Pakistan’s impressive arsenal also includes a high-class frontline spinner in Danish Kaneria. To complete picture, they possess a classy wicketkeeper in Kamran Akmal who can bat like a top order player, also have depth in bowling and batting is improving.

According to Chappell only weakness is their age-old problem of inability to catch well in slips.

“If Pakistan can find a couple of good slippers to complement their classy keeper and back their strong bowling line-up then, they can tackle Australia with no fear.

“Pakistan’s rebuilding program has been so successful that they, rather than England, are now most likely challengers to Australia’s supremacy.

“Not only do Pakistan have skill in their line-up to trouble Australia, they also possess aggressive type of cricketers who can play boys in Baggy Green at their own game.

“As that challenge is a couple of years away one area that might be of concern is their captain Inzamamul Haq.

“He is reaching age where injuries re-occur but victory over India, should give Pakistan confidence they can match Australia even if Inzamam is no longer around,” he said.

“Pakistan always had a great production line that keeps churning out skilful young cricketers. The other big improvement has been in man management skills.

“In past Shoaib’s tantrums would have seen him tossed on scrap heap but his value has been recognised, effort made to compromise and now fast bowler is an integral part of team,” he remarked.—Agencies

http://www.dawn.com/2006/02/09/spt8.htm

Re: ‘Pakistan set to challenge Australia’

I hope the young team will keep the current momentum and decipiline and will deliver in all sorts of grounds and conditions +/- Inzi and Akhtar. Inshallah :k:

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To be a good competition against Australia we'll have to have better bowling strength in Test matches. Shabbira is gone, Rana and Sami aren't good for Test matches. Rana has played some Test matches but mostly on batting paradise pitches so he still has to prove his worthiness in Test arena. We have a good find in Asif, but still we need 1-2 good seamers. In batting, we are stabilising, but I think after WC'07 Inzi will/should retire so we'll struggle in that part for sometime...... the best "but", Aussies camp will be weak without McGrath and Warne too :)

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Nah! I think we are ok in all departments, except our ground fielding. I was briefly watched Aus v SL yesterday, and Aussies ground fielding is miles ahead of ours.

Our seamers (Rana, Asif, Razzaq) hopefully will do very well in English series, as conditions are favorable for seamers, plus those who bowl on a tight line and length. That our batsmen will have to cope with Harminson, Flintoff etc is another issue, but hopefully our batsmen will adapt rather quickly to the bounce and seam.

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I forgot about that important part, very very important. But we still can’t ignore the weaknesses in bowling department, and as you hoped, we all hope too that our batsmen will adapt to bounce and seaming conditions in other parts of world :slight_smile:

Re: ‘Pakistan set to challenge Australia’

Faisal Bhai yeh Kub Hua

:omg:

Bhai mere mai Mazak ker raha hou, Banning ki Dhamki mut bhej edna:p

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i think its a bit of a premature statement...mashallah pak team has been doing really well in recent times but i would agree that we need a bowling spearhead....FASTEST cant play in all matches but we need to find some one to take over once hez is not playing ... see if hez not playing, our bowling attack is not exactly the most threatening one in the world right now ..

Re: Pak has better channce of challenging Aus than SA/Pak set to challenge Aus

Well, yes, couple of things already being pointed out. Fielding being at the top of the list, as we need to transition ourselves from not only capitalizing on such strategies, but also placing the right fielders in the right areas is a very important key. Implementing such decisoins in a correct manner will (and should) reduce the gap in this field (if our fielding is not up to par, at least we can have right kind of fielders in the overflow areas - midoff being one).

Rightfully, batting comes in next in my view. I have suggested this before a dozen times as well. We need to create seaming pitches (yes, even if it dies out after Day 2), and at least have our batsman take a shot at it and practice their technique. Hopefully, PCB will realize this, and provide 'FAST AND BOUNCY' pitches for our batters to play on, and continue their practicing.