Zaheer was a great batsman alright - but he didn't get in line against the fast bowlers abroad. He murdered everyone else though.
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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
Your throwing around 1 innings ect, ad that too in the ODI game-reputations are made in test cricket, no one cares about this ODI game-its only a laugh-iin the real arena, this boy couldnt cut the mustard.
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OK you say no one cares about one day performance when someone brings up stats about Zaheer Abbas which slapped you right in the face about Zaheer Abbas being a flat track bully.
Then why are you making such a big deal of Afridi's performance just to prove you point, if you laugh at one days then why not just look at Afridi's performance in test which is decent to a pinch hitters' standards.
Make up your mind, if you want to look at test only then treat all players the same.
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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Then why are you making such a big deal of Afridi's performance just to prove you point, if you laugh at one days then why not just look at Afridi's performance in test which is decent to a pinch hitters' standards.
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Afridi does better in test matches because he has got a pretty good defence (although Mo can't see it) and he can wait till he gets the right ball to hit, i.e pitched up. In 1 dayers if the bowlers keep bowling short of a length he gets frutrated and gets out trying to hit shots he's not capable of.
UMAIR,
We discussed Afridi ODi game as it was the topic brought up-I didnt bring it up you fool.
2) You proved nothing, you posted some stats and I analyzed them and left you like Paistan after Bangladesh thrashed them-quiet and out of sight.
So an average of 30 is decent in tests is it? :rotfl"
Pinch Hitters are not test match material, by there nature they were created for the ODI game to boost the run rate. Guys like Viv ect, are not pinch hitters, they just have the ability to play the damn ball any way they want-irrespective of line or length-they were Gods. They could play free style out of class, not for lack of better ideas.
And the point with Abbas is that he couldnt play fast bolwing, yes this is totally true. Its acknowledged even by Imran Khan and co-you use counter stats but with little analysis. I proved that agaisnt the WI-and bodyline tactics-he was left proverbially like Lil Bow Wow was by his handler. :rotfl"
It would be interesting to analyze the record of Zaheer in ODI against Australia and West Indies.
Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0
**overall 62 60 6 2572 123 118 113 47.62 7 13 2**
v Australia 11 11 1 411 109 108 84 41.10 2 1 0
v Canada 1 1 0 36 36 - - 36.00 0 0 0
v England 8 8 3 299 83* 59* 57* 59.80 0 4 1
v India 13 12 0 612 118 113 105 51.00 3 1 0
v New Zealand 9 9 1 341 103* 73 58 42.62 1 2 1
v Sri Lanka 10 9 0 473 123 97 82 52.55 1 3 0
v West Indies 10 10 1 400 95* 93 46 44.44 0 2 0
We all know that ODI's are played under conditions hugely in favour of the batsmen and they do not represent one's class at the test level-this is why someone like Nick Knight can be a ODI player-but not cut the cheese at the test level.
Extreme and Mo, you are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with you. He was a great batsman, and like they say in Urdu 'us ne apna loha manwaya hoa hai'. After having a look at Mughals post (with zaheers record) I am reassured he was a great player. I know the man personally, and I first met him after a domestic match he was managing, and he didnt get a ride and we gave him one till PC pindi. He does not brag about his career like other greats, and at that time was working hard to extract new test players from the domestic team. Virtually all aged cricket lovers in Pakistan remember him with great words.
Mo you can go any length to prove that zaheer wasn't a gd enough bat. The comments of the public who saw and dint saw him bat, the experts, former players, all seem irrelevant to you.
U say he couldn't play fast bowlers. He could play fast bowlers in or away from home except the carribean pacers and hadlee's nz, and even with those he's got a gd record in odi. Eng had willis and botham, aus had thomsom and lillie, and he had a pretty damn gd recored against them as someone has already pointed out. thomson had a shoulder injury but that dint deter him. He took wickets aplenty and at a gd rate.
He is one of the greatest bats pak. has ever produced and one of the best of his time. Accept it!
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*Originally posted by akpower: *
Mo you can go any length to prove that zaheer wasn't a gd enough bat. The comments of the public who saw and dint saw him bat, the experts, former players, all seem irrelevant to you.
U say he couldn't play fast bowlers. He could play fast bowlers in or away from home except the carribean pacers and hadlee's nz, and even with those he's got a gd record in odi. Eng had willis and botham, aus had thomsom and lillie, and he had a pretty damn gd recored against them as someone has already pointed out. thomson had a shoulder injury but that dint deter him. He took wickets aplenty and at a gd rate.
He is one of the greatest bats pak. has ever produced and one of the best of his time. Accept it!
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hell yeah!
I have NOT ignored past great opinion, indeed I have refered to both Viv, he greatest of all time, and Imran, no plug needed, in relation to this case. Abbas was something of a flat track bully, and in the least a severly poor player of the short stuff.
The ODI game isnt a reflection of ones ability against the short stuff. Its no balled bar the once in this format, and in any case bowlers aim to get the 2 L's right and contain.
Can you find a man who doesnt say "Abbas was zlich agains the short stuff"?
Not amongst the cricketing world!
Mo, if Zaheer's avg was high in test you would have said test is a joke, you would do anything to prove yourself right.
One moment you criticize Afridi for his low one day performance but when Zaheer has a great one day avg you laugh at one day cricket.
What a hypocrite!
Learn to take some defeat!
no matter how much u cry, the world knows very well why this man was called The Asian Bradman....
people who watched him play called him a run making machine....
and now u come up with this stupid theory....
seriously, if u talk like this in front of a cricket-aware ppl, they'll have u put in a madmen's hospital....
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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
I have NOT ignored past great opinion, indeed I have refered to both Viv, he greatest of all time, and Imran, no plug needed, in relation to this case. Abbas was something of a flat track bully, and in the least a severly poor player of the short stuff.
The ODI game isnt a reflection of ones ability against the short stuff. Its no balled bar the once in this format, and in any case bowlers aim to get the 2 L's right and contain.
Can you find a man who doesnt say "Abbas was zlich agains the short stuff"?
Not amongst the cricketing world!
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Thats precisely what u did. Just quoting imran's and viv's comments on zaheer's inability to play short pitched stuff was biased. U quoted what u found favorable for ur argument.
Another thing, i never disputed the fact that he couldn't play short balls. But he just isn't a "a flat track bully", just like u keep bluffing, because he's done exceptionally well on the fast tracks down under and the seaming ones in engl. Apart from WI and Pak, these were the two best teams in the world of cricket.