Re: Overseas pakistanis get voting rights
Say thanks to PPP and other democratic parties .
This is win of democracy , No credit to Puppets . There are now only two groups known as puppets of establishment One is PTI and other is Difa e Pakistan Counsel. Third one MQM is hanging in between .
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Again credit goes to this government for fulfilling the wishes of pakistan orgin citizens/resident of foreign countries.
Re: Overseas pakistanis get voting rights
Say thanks to PPP and other democratic parties . This is win of democracy , No credit to Puppets . There are now only two groups known as puppets of establishment One is PTI and other is Difa e Pakistan Counsel. Third one MQM is hanging in between .
so PPP can influence ECP of Pakistan? or is it because it was PPP's motto/wish that overseas Pakistanis should be granted voting rights?
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maybe PPP and ECP are synonymous, or maybe PPP had filed an application for their rights? 
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^^^ Quit complaining. Now I can vote YAY! :D
Yeah screw over the constitution because you can vote.
The over seas Pakistan card is not a legal document of citizenship? Correct? I want to confirm what you guys think. Because from what I know its an ID card and allows you visa free entry. But it does not allocate citizenship rights. Meaning that you still need to hold a passport to vote if you are outside of Pakistan. If that is maintained I have no problem with this new law.
However if the card allows you voting rights its in violation of the Constitution and the Courts should strike it down.
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Only the citizens of Pakistan living abroad can vote. You can vote at one country .
And dual nationality holders can not take part in elections.
Imran is trying in court for his sons and daughter perhaps against this .
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As long as citizens get to vote I have no problem with that and it abides by the constitution. But any 3rd generation schumuck without legal proof of citizenship gets to vote it will violate the constitution.
Re: Overseas pakistanis get voting rights
As long as citizens get to vote I have no problem with that and it abides by the constitution. But any 3rd generation schumuck without legal proof of citizenship gets to vote it will violate the constitution.
The people living for 2-3 generations abroad wouldn't vote as they wouldn't have any attachment with the country. It would mostly be first or second generation Pakistanis who have Pakistani passports or Nicop.
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Only the citizens of Pakistan living abroad can vote. You can vote at one country . And dual nationality holders can not take part in elections. Imran is trying in court for his sons and daughter perhaps against this .
You should be happy about it as even zardari's children can vote. :)
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NICOP is not a valid document of citizenship and if you can vote with a NICOP then it violates the constitution.
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It's upon the government to decide the nitty gritty of it
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Yes and no. This is a legal matter and its for the courts to decide. NICOP allows visa free entry and it was set up so that expat-Pakistanis did not need to get visas. But it did not confer nationality as it would violate laws in countries that do not allow dual citizenship with Pakistan.
Additionally if NICOP is allowed this will set a horrible precedence for elections giving non-Pakistanis the right to contest elections.
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I think overseas Pakistanis are only those with green cards and naturalized citizenships. The host country can always deport you to Pakistan if they deem you an undesirable by revoking your citizenship, since it is a privilege NOT a right. I bet a lot of pakistanis who were born in pakistan have had their passports expired, so they wouldn't be considered pakistanis? If there was an issue then the SC would have taken it up already, so you should better go "fix" UN, CM.
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Good to know when it comes to personal benefits every Pakistani is truly a ****ing Pakistani. Forget the constitution and the very basis of our democratic government if it benefits little old me. I would personally love to see the actually law/clause. Because as per the law NICOP is not proof of citizenship. Hell I may just even petition the courts myself if need be. Its not that hard really.
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I wasn’t sure so I did a google search:
NICOP (National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis) is a registration document to be issued to a valid/legitimate citizen of Pakistan. Previously it was issued to overseas Pakistanis working/living/staying/studying abroad for consecutive time period of six months or possessing dual nationalities but now it can be issued to any citizen of Pakistan.
http://www.nadra.gov.pk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=10
Now, please go and sue ECP, GoP etc as you clearly don’t know anything about this issue. But, this isn’t surprising considering you work for the corrupt and inefficient UN, which is yet to reform itself even after funding warnings from the US (the major funder of it).
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No need. You see the statement says that NICOP is issued to a valid/legitimate citizen of Pakistan. If you are not a citizen of Pakistan you can not have a NICOP. So that means any second generation or third generation Pakistani without a passport can not vote.
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Wow, what a Romney response! 
Look at your own post #34 where you said
Now I am lost. What were you suing the pakistani govt for? Oh yeah, the electoral fraud that 3rd, 4th, 5th … nth generations of pakistanis were causing by voting in Pakistan elections…
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Okay here is a simple lesson is logic. Answer the following questions.
Go on google it so you can feel good about yourself.
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The overseas Pakistanis that I have seen either maintain their Pakistani passports or the Nicop, either way I don't think there should be any problem. Those who don't have passports or Nicop will not be able to vote (I guess). The people who have nicops can have their passports made if required. People use nicop as a facility otherwise it's difficult to maintain two passports.
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This is Pakistani citizenship law, there’s a sizeable Pakistani community in Norway I guess they will lose out as there is no dual citizenship with them to date I guess:
Pakistani Citizenship Act 1951
The Pakistan Citizenship Act 1951 (also known as “Pakistan Citizenship Act 1951 (II of 1951)) was enacted on the 13th of April, 1951; stating the purpose of it is “to make provision for citizenship of Pakistan”.[SUP][2][/SUP] The Act has since then been amended (1952, 1972, 1973, 2000)[SUP][3][/SUP] and there are still some more amendments that might be added. This Act referred to ways in which a person could gain Pakistani citizenship and how a person could lose or be denied their citizenship. The Act is divided into 23 sections each one outlining a different provision of citizenship.
The main sections of concern for gaining citizenship are[SUP][2]
[/SUP]
[ul]
[li]Section 3 - Citizenship at the date of commencement of this Act : At the commencement of this Act every person shall be deemed to be a citizen of Pakistan:[/li][/ul]
[ul]
[li]People whose parents or grandparents were born in what is now considered Pakistan (after August 14, 1947).[/li][li]**People whose parents or grandparents were born in the territory know as India on March 31, 1973 **
[/li][/ul]OR
[ul]
[li]People who were naturalized as a British subject in Pakistan[/li][li]People who migrated to the territory of Pakistan before this Act[/li][/ul]
[ul]
[li]Section 4 - Citizenship by birth : Anyone born in Pakistan after this Act is a Pakistani Citizen[/li][/ul]*Except if the father is considered an enemy of the state or the father has immunity from legal process
[ul]
[li]Section 5 – Citizenship by descent: If one parent has Pakistani Citizenship then a person born to that parent may also get citizenship.[/li][/ul]
[ul]
[li]Section 6- Citizenship by Migration: If a person migrates from an Indo-Pakistan sub-continent with the intention of permanently residing then they may receive citizenship[/li][/ul]*If he is a man, his wife and children may get Pakistani citizenship as well.
*Sections concerning denied or renouncing citizenship are[SUP][2]
[/SUP]
[ul]
[li]Section 14 – Dual Citizenship or nationality not permitted: if you hold a citizenship outside of Pakistan the Pakistani citizenship is terminateUnless one decides to renounce the other Unless one has citizenship in Britain or it’s colonies[/li][li]Unless one is a female married to a man who is not a Pakistani Citizen[/li][li]Section 14A – Renunciation of citizenship: If a person pledges allegiance or becomes a citizen of another country they have forfeited their Pakistani citizenship[/li][LIST]
[li]The exception is if a child (under the age of 21) who does not have his pakistani citizenship and would like to resume it after turning 21 is allowed to do so.[/li][/ul]
[li]Section 16 – Deprivation of Citizenship: One may be deprived or stripped of citizenship if:[/li][ul]
[li]Citizenship was obtained by false information[/li][li]The person in question has acted disloyal to the country[/li][li]One has been engaging with the enemy during times of war[/li][/ul]
[/LIST]
[ul]
[li]Section 16A – Certain Persons to lose and others to retain citizenship: regarding the times before and after December 16, 1971and people residing in what was previously East Pakistan[/li][LIST]
[li]One is no longer a citizen if he/she is voluntarily residing in or migrated to the area now known as Bangladesh on December 16, 1971[/li][li]One is still a citizen if he/she voluntarily stayed or moved to West Pakistan on December 16, 1971[/li][/ul]
[/LIST][edit]Amendments to the Pakistan Citizenship Act, 1951
The Pakistan Citizenship Act 1951 rapidly underwent amendments since it was in acted on April 13, 1951. Some of these amendments were due to the fact that the original Act seemed somewhat incomplete, so the Pakistan Citizenship Rules 1952 were introduced. But also in 1971 Pakistan and Bangladesh separated and citizenship needed to be readdressed for that time, and Kashmir has also been an ongoing conflict and that needed to be addressed in the Act as well.
The Amendment that was focused on the Kashmir conflict is Section 14B.[SUP][2][/SUP] In this section it is stated that if someone from the State of Jammu and Kashmir decided to migrate to Pakistan and live there till the conflict is over then the person can receive Pakistani citizenship. The amendment that is focused on the Bangladesh and Pakistan issue is Section 16A;[SUP][2][/SUP] this amendment is a part of the Pakistan Citizenship (Amendment) Ordinance 1978. This amendment states anyone who on December 16, 1971 was not in West Pakistan has lost their citizenship, even if they were not in East Pakistan either that day.
The Pakistan Citizenship Act 1951 (II of 1951) has been undergoing amendments more recently as well. One of the amendment attempts is by Bushra Gohar, to attempt to change the wordings of Section 10 in the Act (Married Women).[SUP][4][/SUP]The proposal is to change the heading to Married Persons and make it so that the section applies to more than just women. Another amendment that has been made is to Section 16B, regarding the Bangladesh separation. Shahnaz Saleem has suggested that the part of the section regarding people that were outside the Pakistan and Bangladesh border on December 16, 1971 should be removed.[SUP][5][/SUP] She states that there were many people escaping the war and trying to flee to West Pakistan but had to travel outside of the borders to reach there. She proposes that these people get the opportunity to naturalize again.
[edit]Dual nationality agreements
Since independence, the growth of expatriate Pakistani communities in the Middle East, Europe and North America has led to several changes in Pakistani nationality law. **Although holding dual citizenship was not permitted under the 1951 law,[SUP][1][/SUP] the Government of Pakistan now recognizes and allows its citizens to also hold the citizenships of 16 countries:[SUP][6]
[/SUP]**[ol]
[li]United Kingdom[/li][li]Italy[/li][li]France[/li][li]Belgium[/li][li]Iceland[/li][li]Australia[/li][li]New Zealand[/li][li]Sweden[/li][li]United States[/li][li]Ireland[/li][li]Netherlands[/li][li]Switzerland[/li][li]Canada[/li][li]Egypt[/li][li]Jordan[/li][li]Syria[/li][/ol]