on the land of whores and hookers!!!

IN RURAL INDIA, TRADITIONS OF CHILD SEXUAL EXPLOITATION ENDURE
Scripps Howard News Service
By JOHN STACKHOUSE
Toronto Globe and Mail

SANGLI, India - The prettiest girl in this leafy, tropical town in western
India’s sugar belt doesn’t have much time to talk. Dressed in a stunning
mauve silk sari, with gold jewelry dripping from her ear lobes and nose,
18-year-old Chandra must get to work.

“My entire family depends on me,” she said with a laugh as her alcoholic
mother stood at the doorway ordering her back to the family’s brothel.

A prostitute since she was 12, Chandra expects to net the equivalent of $50
for her day’s work, because in her state of Maharashtra it’s the annual
snake festival and a time for local men to celebrate another good monsoon.

In an average month, Chandra figures she can bring home $500 - an amount
many of her customers don’t earn in one year.

“My family, my brothers, they sit around all day and do nothing,” continued
Chandra, who has a five-year-old son from her initiation as a commercial
sex worker. “Everything they have is from me.”

Far from the chaotic brothels of Bombay and Calcutta, where many children
are kept in forced custody, Chandra represents what many experts say are
the majority of India’s 100,000 or more child prostitutes: girls put to
work by their families for no other reason than the enormous, if brief,
profits they can earn.

They can be found at truck stops, dingy small-town hotels and roadside tea
stalls. They often do double duty as kitchen help and sex workers.

And they have little choice - not when their parents, siblings and other
relatives depend so much on their earning power.

With her movie star looks, Chandra was virtually destined to become a sex
worker at the age of 12. It was her mother’s occupation, too.

But as with many Indian children, she wasn’t sold directly into
prostitution. Instead, Chandra’s mother confirmed her as a “devadasi,” a
Hindu temple servant who before reaching puberty is dedicated for life to
the goddess Yallamma.

Traditionally, the divine and elaborate marriage would transport a
low-caste girl such as Chandra into a devotional career of temple singing
and dancing. In modern times, the outlawed ritual, which is believed to
absorb as many as 10,000 girls a year, often means sexual enslavement to a
temple priest or prostitution.

The devadasi system is only one of countless traditions of child sexual
exploitation in rural India that seem sure to endure, driven by the
economics of poverty, tyranny of caste and compulsions of culture and
religion.

“Some of these forms of child prostitution in India emerge from deeply
rooted, traditional practices and beliefs which still prevail,” said
Richard Young, chief of community development for the United Nations
Children’s Fund in India. “They may be legally outlawed, but they do
continue.”

And they present a serious challenge to the world. As the international
community tries to crack down on the sexual exploitation of children with
stronger laws, better police enforcement and community-development
projects, it remains to be seen whether the culture of child prostitution -
from the parents who sell their children to the people who buy them - will
change anytime soon.

“Attitudes and mind sets, corruption and apathy are major obstacles which
will not be overcome by any scheme,” Young said.

In the Indian desert state of Rajasthan, where Rajnat tribals once served
maharajahs, the communities now set up camp along highways to serve truck
drivers. At puberty, each girl’s virginity is auctioned to a man, and she
is then put to work in a mass market.

In the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, the “basavi,” or “female bull,”
ceremony consigns low-caste girls to a life of ritual devotion that is so
unremunerative that they usually resort to prostitution as well.

In the Bedia tribe, one girl is selected from each family to serve as a
community prostitute; if she becomes pregnant, she is ritually married to a
one-rupee coin.

But it is the illegal devadasi system that accounts for up to one-fifth of
India’s child prostitutes, UNICEF says. The devadasi dedications, often
held in private homes to avoid police raids, prey on parents’ fear and
greed.

Many of the girls, and in some cases boys, are chosen because of ailments -
such as skin diseases, mental retardation, leprosy, the matted hair of
malnutrition - that render them undesirable for human marriage.

It also saves the family an onerous dowry, as the girl is married to the
god for life. In return for their divine devotion, the devadasis are
accorded special status in their villages, not least because of their
earning power. They receive comfort and caring when they are ill. Some are
even eligible for a government pension of $4 a month.

As with thousands of other women in her district, Durga, a mother in her
mid-20s, was put through the ritualistic devadasi ceremony and married to
an icon before her first menstrual cycle.

“There was no question of being happy or sad,” she said. “I didn’t know
what they were doing.”

It was just another part of an unforgiving childhood. Durga had been raised
in a Bombay brothel, where her mother was sold into prostitution by her
father. She remembers being so poor that she carried pails of water for the
equivalent of less than one penny a trip. She also remembers being raped at
13 for refusing a customer, and being bruised so badly that she had to go
to hospital.

But now Durga earns the equivalent of about $120 a month - enough to care
for her two children, two brothers and mother - and knows there is no other
way for her now.

“Once you’re in the business,” she said, “it’s very difficult to get out.”

In Sangli’s red-light district, in a downtrodden corner of the city near
the railway tracks, most of the 260 prostitutes are devadasis who serve a
prosperous farm belt from a squatter camp of cinder-block houses built on
land allotted by the local government.

Each room is fitted with a cassette player, ceiling fan, cot - some with
two or three - and a sheet hangs from the ceiling to serve as a curtain.

Outside on the footpaths, well-dressed young men loaf about in indecision
or relaxation. The tradition seems unchanged in many ways, except one.

“Men come and ask for younger and younger women,” said Kamla, a local madam
and devadasi, whose rotund frame and grimacing face is enough to keep
troublemakers away.

Even in far-flung Sangli, 10 hours by bus from Bombay, the fear of
contracting AIDS has hit the brothels like a monsoon cloud. One young
prostitute, who calls herself Seventy Jasmine, asked if AIDS really is a
deadly disease with no cure.

Durga told her that it is, and that two of her co-workers died last month.
One had four children. Durga then told the others about Ichalkaranji, a
textile-mill center not far from Sangli, where eight prostitutes died last
month. There, the red-light district’s population, which once numbered
around 70, is down to 35.

Durga once assumed she would dedicate her daughter, who is now 6, to be a
devadasi, like herself and her mother. But not anymore.

“We are afraid of death,” Durga explained. “We do not want our children to
die.”

Truly tragic. I shiver with fear what poverty and social inequality can do an innocent young girl! They deserve to go to school and play, not fear HIV.

Anyway, I don't find any religious angle here... seems more like a general discussion hence I'm moving it general forum. Please continue the discussion there. Thanks.

very sad..

maybe u should try reading it again... it definitely links prostitution to hinduism.

But as with many Indian children, she wasn't sold directly into
prostitution. Instead, Chandra's mother confirmed her as a "devadasi," a
Hindu temple servant who before reaching puberty is dedicated for life to
the goddess Yallamma.

Traditionally, the divine and elaborate marriage would transport a
low-caste girl such as Chandra into a devotional career of temple singing
and dancing. In modern times, the outlawed ritual, which is believed to
absorb as many as 10,000 girls a year, often means sexual enslavement to a
temple priest or prostitution. <<<

[This message has been edited by mundyaa (edited May 31, 2000).]

[quote]
Originally posted by mundyaa:
**maybe u should try reading it again... it definitely links prostitution to hinduism.

But as with many Indian children, she wasn't sold directly into
prostitution. Instead, Chandra's mother confirmed her as a "devadasi," a
Hindu temple servant who before reaching puberty is dedicated for life to
the goddess Yallamma.

Traditionally, the divine and elaborate marriage would transport a
low-caste girl such as Chandra into a devotional career of temple singing
and dancing. In modern times, the outlawed ritual, which is believed to
absorb as many as 10,000 girls a year, often means sexual enslavement to a
temple priest or prostitution. <<<

[This message has been edited by mundyaa (edited May 31, 2000).]**
[/quote]

How does it link it to Hinduism? Can u read English? It says traditionally she is supposed to dance and sing with devotion in temple and modern times the practice is corrupted. How the corruption in modern times be linked with religion?

It is also mentioned that it is outlawed (unlike ur honor killings which are legally protected.)

[This message has been edited by ZZ (edited May 31, 2000).]

The devadasi system is only one of countless traditions of child sexual
exploitation in rural India that seem sure to endure, driven by the
economics of poverty, tyranny of caste and compulsions of culture and
religion. <<<

the religion here is hinduism. caste system is a product of hinduism... so are all these women. any comments on how brahmans have continued to molest shoodars and their children?

[quote]
Originally posted by mundyaa:
the religion here is hinduism. caste system is a product of hinduism... so are all these women.
[/quote]

how neat! lemme try out the same logic for some other problems - sectarian killings exist in pakistan, sects are a product of mal-interpretation of islam, and it is islam's fault that it is misinterpretable, and hence, the orphans of shia-sunni killings are a product of islam...

[quote]
any comments on how brahmans have continued to molest shoodars and their children?
[/quote]

hello? from devdasis to brahmin-shudra divides? mighty poor concentration skills, i say..

i still think this thread belongs in the religion… so naiklarki when do * plan on kiking this bak to the religion form? its beoming more like a football game… played by some 4 yr olds.

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q*eer, pardon me for not knowing all the different lasses of hinds. is devdasi even a lower ast than shoodars? os they seem to be inharge of prostitting for brahman. now shoodars were alled "nto**hables" by brahmans… is devdasi the title given to the prostitte hind women by brahmans?

Pls dont be offended by what i say im trying to learn here jst like yo learn abot mslim women and are qik to omplain abot Islam everyday.

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[This message has been edited by mundyaa (edited May 31, 2000).]

dear m*ndyaa,

i am deeply moved by yo*r thirst for knowledge.

real devdasis are women who *hoose not to marry and to dedi*ate their lives to God by being part of *eremonies at temples. this **stom is non-existant in the parts of india i have known. in remote areas, people who are *nable to s*pport *hildren often "donate" their *hildren to temples, and temples being starved of in*ome, the poor girls are for*ed into prostit*tion for a livelihood.

p.s.> please note i never blamed islam for anything, nless yo started blaming hind*ism for everything, and i still do not blame islam for anything, i am j*st showing yo* the falla*ies in yo*r ass*mptions and logi*. like roman said, some people dont *nderstand polite lingo..

b*t a*ording to this report... all devdasies are low *ast hind women. who end p prostit*ting for brahman. the report is written by a gora so he was only interested in the n*mber of *hildren being ab*sed. the n*mbers are *p there for yo. imagine the n*mbers of f*lly grown p women in this b*siness whi*h they didnt bother to *olle*t as its a norm in their so*iety as well and they *ant really point fingers at yo.

Their are m*slims in Islam who have ab*sed the standards set by Islam... honor killings and lo*king *p women and *sing them as toys are all pra*ti*es NOT PRES*RIBED IN ISLAM.

The same isnt tr*e abo*t hind*ism... shoodars, devdasis, other "female b*lls" and other low *aste *lasses are vi*tims of hind*ism.

my dear m*ndyaa,

sine when have yo started taking gora versions to be tre? last time i remember, yo and xtreme blasted the west and its jewish media.

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regarding aste system being presribed by hindism… read the vedas and panishads yorselves and hek it ot - hindism DOES NOT presribe a rigid aste system based on birth right. a rigid lass system is abot as m**h a misinterpretation of sript*res as is honor killings or female ir**misions *nder islam.

I'm not s*re if Hind*ism and Prostit*tion link ba*k and forth to ea*h other. However, I m*st say that the religion of *o*ntless demeaning rit*als whi*h had, over the period of time, emerged into Hind*ism has first originated by Aryans, who took *ontrol of the Ind*s Valley and s*rro*ndings tho*sands of years ago. Their firm belief was intrepreted from the series of books they've written that women are prowned and predestined to serve their masters in every whi*h way and their masters *ontrol every aspe*t of their lives.

In "r*ral" pakistan, the same thing goes. Poverty and prostit*ion have a very strong *orrelation. I'm s*re every one here probably heard of "Heera M*ndi."

agreed... b*t i see * *ondemning m*slims who *ommitt hono*r killings... b*t not a word for brahmans who are molesting sh*dar kids?

i an p*ll atleast thirty threads in re*ent times where yo and rani and other hind*s have tried repeatedly to p*t down Islam and m*slims and tried to portray it in every negative manner as yo* an when it *omes to women. Next time yo want to go on s*h an advent*re maybe * o*ghta point a finger inwards to *r hind an*estors and fellow *o*ntrymen involved in far more horrendo*s dispi*able a*tivities than Islam *ant even begin to endorse.

Whats up with the stars?

i dont see you condemning hitler, so you must be nazi!

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please pull out a post where i have condemned islam. i have often put down the way some issues are handled by the holier-than-thou “islamic” countries, but even this has always been only upon severe provocation by some retards…

waiting for you to pull out the post…

now if i write down that how can a brahman be held in high respect if he molests shoodar kids and women and turns them into prostitutes? now this is one of many posts.... i'll be glad to post them all but the mods will have a problem with it.

queer

Senior Member
Posts: 1415 posted June 24, 1999 04:10 AM


With all the due respect to practising muslims on this forum, i would like to have a doubt cleared.

How is it that Mohammad Nabi (pbuh) could have several wives, some of them under ten at the time of marriage with him, and still be held in high acclaim?

I'll be happy if someone clears my doubt without flaming me.

Thanx.

queer, see it cuts both ways.

[This message has been edited by mundyaa (edited June 01, 2000).]

I think u will win the debate in that case. If brahmin indeed forces someone in prostitution or molests, he can not be held in any respect. I believe all Hindus will agree on that.

Now answer queer's querry.

On the other hand, if u are saying going to justify prophet's actions asking what a few million brahmins do (in your opinion), that does not do justice to the one and only last prophet.

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ZZ, u see no difference between marriage and prostitution? well thats not ur fault.... from where i come from prostitution and other legal things for u are considered haraam. the punishment for which is death.

Marriage makes a family. Prostitution breaks not one but many families. Marriage is pious. Prostitution is ethicaly and moraly wrong. Marriage in any society (maybe not hinduism) is conidered as a legal channel to produce a family. Prostitution produces "bastar*" children who are left by their prostitute mothers and off the street fathers to rot in the streets.

But prophet does not indulge in prostitution is not good enough. There are so many people who do not go to prostitutes. But society does not respect them still.

People will talk of higher moral standards from prophet. They will ask how could he think of marrying a a girl who is less than 10 years old. That sounds abnormal.

mundyaa,

nope, it doesnt cut both ways. that post of mine was a decently put question, in a thread that you started to abuse hinduism - if i am right, it is the one where you claimed hindus eat dead womens' ****** and drink cow urine. why didnt you put the URL up? let everyone see your pious deeds to further your religion..