OBL was a prisoner of Pakistan Army : Seymour Hersh

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Views of then Pakistani ambassador Hussain Haqqani over Seymour Hersh’s report:

What Pakistan Knew About the Bin Laden RaidAs Islamabad’s ambassador to Washington, I had an intimate view of the Pakistani response to the SEAL Team 6 operation. But I still have a few unanswered questions.

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With a litany of unproved claims, veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has revived discussion about the circumstances in which al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was discovered and killed in May 2011 in the Pakistani garrison city of Abbottabad.
Some of Hersh’s assertions in a 10,000-word London Review of Books article border on fantasy. He claims that bin Laden lived under the protection of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), was given up for reward money by one of the agency’s officers, and was eventually eliminated in a U.S. raid covertly backed by Pakistan’s army commander and ISI chief.
According to Hersh, the Americans “blackmailed” Pakistan’s generals into helping them kill bin Laden but then stabbed them in the back for political reasons by denying them any credit for assisting in the raid by Navy SEALs. Instead of blaming ISI for sheltering bin Laden in Pakistan (which Hersh claims it did), he points the finger at the Obama administration for not acknowledging ISI’s role in the U.S. operation that killed the terrorist mastermind.
With the exception of the possibility of a Pakistani “walk in” selling information about bin Laden’s location, the other details of Hersh’s story simply do not add up.
Hersh may have his unnamed sources, but he clearly does not know how Pakistan works.Hersh may have his unnamed sources, but he clearly does not know how Pakistan works. If the ISI had hidden bin Laden for five years, it would not have cooperated in the U.S. operation to kill him without demanding a serious quid pro quo.Hersh explains the Obama administration’s eagerness to claim sole credit for finding and killing bin Laden in terms of domestic U.S. politics. But he offers no explanation as to why, after covertly helping the Americans, Pakistan’s generals would keep quiet about their role. The veteran reporter alludes to the idea that this might have been because of bin Laden’s popularity among the Pakistani public. But by 2011, bin Laden was no longer that popular — and in any case Pakistan’s military leaders have consistently ignored public opinion to ensure the flow of American aid. Hersh’s suggestion that Pakistan’s generals covertly helped Americans eliminate bin Laden simply to maintain the flow of U.S. dollars to the country — but kept it secret so as not to incur the wrath of the Pakistani street — does not hold water.
For several years before the bin Laden raid, Pakistan’s military and the ISI had been criticized in the U.S. media and Congress for double-dealing in the fight against terrorism. If the ISI had protected bin Laden (or held him prisoner) for five years before being found out by the Americans, the United States would have increased its leverage by going public with accusations of hiding bin Laden. But there’s no evidence that Washington held Islamabad’s feet to the fire.
If, however, a backroom deal had been negotiated to secure Pakistani cooperation in the raid on Abbottabad in return for U.S. silence, the ISI would have demanded some glory for its cooperation. Facilitating the raid, as narrated by Hersh, would have provided Pakistan’s military and ISI an opportunity to redeem themselves in American eyes. Hersh wants us to believe an entirely improbably scenario. According to him, Obama’s political requirements denied Pakistanis any credit and senior generals in Islamabad simply accepted that without pushing back.
Was the “walk-in” real?
To this day, there is no solid evidence of Pakistanis at the highest level of government knowing about bin Laden being in Pakistan — though there have been widespread suspicions. If, after being tipped off by a rogue Pakistani intelligence officer looking for personal reward, the United States planned a raid with covert help from Pakistani intelligence, why didn’t the cooperating Pakistani officials demand credit for assisting in targeting bin Laden in order to mitigate the bad press for previously protecting him? And what prevented the U.S. government from publicly acknowledging that they knew bin Laden had been officially protected? Was the need to keep the relationship with Islamabad on solid footing so important that the Obama administration would risk telling a lie this massive?
Hersh’s story is based on the fundamental premise that the U.S. government had bad intentions, including in their interactions with the Pakistan Army and the ISI. In an interview with the Pakistani newspaper Dawn, Hersh defends Pakistan’s generals. “Pakistan has a good army, not a bad army,” he declared, adding that the Obama administration’s cover story made the Pakistan army look incompetent because it didn’t know that bin Laden was residing in a garrison town just two miles from the country’s main military academy. But he still does not offer an explanation for why the Pakistan Army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, and ISI head, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, went along with the cover story.
The only point in Hersh’s story that seems plausible relates to the Pakistani officer who tipped off the Americans about bin Laden’s location. Further reporting by AFP and a story by NBC affirm the role of a Pakistani defector — though NBC later amended its story to clarify that while the defector provided information, it didn’t lead to finding bin Laden. The rumor that the CIA learned about bin Laden’s location through an ISI officer has been around since the Abbottabad raid. But I’ve also heard another version of the same story from Pakistani officials.
According to this version, the ISI officer only facilitated the CIA’s on-ground operation in Abbottabad after the U.S. spy agency started planning an operation based on intelligence obtained through other means. The CIA relocated the Pakistani officer — not because he was the man who tipped them off on bin Laden’s location — but because he acted without authority from his superiors in enabling the CIA to conduct an operation on Pakistani soil.
The NBC story also repeats the suspicion of U.S. officials — about Pakistani complicity in hiding bin Laden — though, obviously, there isn’t enough evidence for the U.S. government to formally and publicly make that charge. As a witness to Pakistan’s response after the bin Laden raid I find it difficult to believe Hersh’s conspiracy theory about so many people in both the U.S. and Pakistani governments and militaries telling a big coordinated lie.
In the middle of a diplomatic dance
I was serving as Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States at the time of the SEAL raid in Abbottabad. I was on my way to Islamabad via London and Dubai when the operation took place; I first found out about it upon landing at Heathrow airport in the early morning of May 2, 2011. My superiors in Islamabad instructed me to turn around immediately. I was back in Washington by around 5 p.m. local time.
My instructions were clear: to ensure that the U.S. government, Congress, and the media did not blame Pakistan’s government, armed forces, or intelligence services for allowing Osama bin Laden’s presence in the country, as that would have been a violation of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1267 and 1373. My bosses, both civilian and military, were obviously concerned that Pakistan would be taken to task. But nothing in the conduct of Generals Kayani and Pasha (both of whom later forced me to resign as ambassador) hinted at their collusion with the U.S. in the Abbottabad raid.
The generals were embarrassed, both over bin Laden having being found in Pakistan and the U.S. taking place raid without knowledge or approval.The generals were embarrassed, both over bin Laden having being found in Pakistan and the U.S. taking place raid without knowledge or approval. They attributed their lack of response to the incursion by U.S. helicopters from Afghanistan to the absence of adequate radar coverage on the western border — a symptom of Pakistan’s view of India as the only threat to its national security. Kayani and Pasha also wanted to ensure that there would be no reprisals against Pakistan over allegations of official complicity in hiding bin Laden.A bevy of damage diplomacy followed. A few days after the Abbottabad raid, then-chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee John Kerry visited Islamabad. Gen. Kayani was eager during that visit for a statement by the U.S. senator emphasizing Pakistan’s position as an American ally in the war against terrorism. Kerry agreed to the reassuring language proposed by Kayani. The Kerry visit was followed by a visit by Pasha to Washington during which he was keen to convince the CIA that the ISI had no knowledge of bin Laden being in Pakistan. In a meeting with CIA Director Leon Panetta, Pasha listed the CIA’s own failures over the years to advance his argument that intelligence gathering is often imperfect and that the enemy can hide within plain sight.
Notwithstanding my own disagreements with Kayani and Pasha, I found no reason to believe that either general was feigning ignorance or outrage while being secretly in league with the Americans. The Foreign Office also asked me to protest the violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty by U.S. forces in conducting the operation and to point out how it violated the norms of international conduct between two sovereign countries that were, at least officially, allies. I didn’t make much headway.
The U.S. officials I interacted with were not only unwilling to apologize for violating Pakistani sovereignty but demanded that Islamabad cooperate in giving Americans access to data and persons found at the house in Abbottabad where the raid was conducted. They also demanded the return of the wreckage of the stealth helicopter that had been damaged and left behind during the operation. Pakistan handed over the wreckage a few days later, though not without prodding by the Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michael Mullen.
Security Council cover
Immediately after the raid, the U.S. government persuaded the president of the U.N. Security Council to issue a statement, “welcoming [the] end of Osama bin Laden’s ability to perpetrate terrorist acts.” Obama administration officials I spoke with pointed to UNSC resolutions and this statement by the Security Council president to justify their unilateral action in Abbottabad in disregard of Pakistani sovereignty.
Pakistan’s protests about violation of its sovereignty and against the U.N. Security Council president’s statement came within hours of the Abbottabad raid. Our side was stunned because it had not been kept in the loop. At the United Nations, the Security Council president was busy listing justifications under international law for the violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty. But none of these responses would have occurred if, as Hersh says, the cover story about the unilateral raid had been “manufactured” in the White House just two hours after the raid, in a cynical ploy to help Obama’s re-election bid.
On the evening of May 2, *(CNN.com - Transcripts). There I made what remains a valid point: I said that it was obvious someone in Pakistan protected Osama bin Laden. The question was to determine whether bin Laden’s support system lay “within the government and the state of Pakistan or within the society of Pakistan.” I had asked for “a full inquiry into finding out why our intelligence services were not able to track him earlier.”
I never got an answer to my question. Pakistan created a commission that conducted its hearings in a non-transparent manner and declined to publish its findings. The Obama administration went back to business-as-usual with Pakistan — without insisting or pushing Islamabad for answers on the tough questions about bin Laden’s stay in Pakistan from 2006 to 2011. I understand how the failure of both Washington and Islamabad to disclose a more complete understanding of what transpired in the years leading up to the raid feeds conspiracy theories and the presumption that something is fishy.
But it is this failure — explaining bin Laden’s presence in Pakistan, not the elaborate conspiracies Hersh alleges on the say-so of a single retired U.S. counterterrorism official — which has been a major disservice to truth.
Both the people of Pakistan and the people of the United States would benefit from detailed answers to questions about bin Laden’s support network in Pakistan. But don’t hold your breath. It might not be in either Islamabad’s or Washington’s interest to wake sleeping dogs.

What Pakistan Knew About the Bin Laden Raid | Foreign Policy*

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how can we know the truth
On that point, at least, Hersh’s account may fall down - according to South Asian Pulse, Brigadier Usman Khalid died in London on the morning of 2 April, 2014.
Osama bin Laden killing: Pakistan officials ‘out’ spy who gave away The Independent-13-May-2015

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US offers aid to probe attack on Ismaili community in Karachi

“American people stand in solidarity with the people of Pakist*an,” says John Kerry

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****WASHINGTON: The United States Thursday offered to help Pakistan investigate the deadly attack on a bus in Karachi which left 45 Ismailis dead, in the first assault in the country on the minority community.
“We will support efforts to bring all those responsible to justice and stand ready to provide assistance to the investigation of this tragic attack,” US Secretary of State John Kerry said.

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Mubarik ho
Our afraid FO rejected the report but
could not dare even to talk
Abbottabad raid: FO rejects Hersh’s stance
Business Recorder (press release) (blog)-

Some asking
Reporting OBL

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The General who pocketed $25M for OBL and is now a consultant for CIA:

ISI man who ‘sold’ Osama a Kashmir hardliner - The Times of India

ISI man who ‘sold’ Osama a Kashmir hardliner

The military general who sold Osama bin Laden’s location for part of the $25 million bounty has been identified in the Pakistani media as former Brigadier Usman Khalid, a hardline Islamist fantasist whose television appearances invoke the glory days of Muslim domination from Istanbul to New Delhi.

WASHINGTON: The military general who sold Osama bin Laden’s location for part of the $25 million bounty has been identified in the Pakistani media as former brigadier Usman Khalid, a hardline Islamist fantasist whose television appearances invoke the glory days of Muslim domination from Istanbul to New Delhi.

According to the bombshell story by Seymour Hersh that has caused ripples in the US, a former midlevel ISI officer walked into the US embassy in Islamabad to rat on Pakistan’s secret custody of bin Laden. He and his family have since been relocated to Pakistan, where he is said to be a consultant for the CIA.

A scrutiny of his publicly available speeches, writings, and records show Brig Khalid to be a grandfatherly post-retirement think-tanker who peddles hopeful theories about the imminent break-up of India due to sundry insurrections against the Brahminical class that allegedly rules India. As director of the ‘London Institute of South Asia’ he has also edited a book titled ‘Authentic Voices of South Asia’ with chapters by separatist malingerers such as Gurmukh Singh Aulakh and Syed Geelani.

Why and how a retired former general in the army would know of bin Laden’s location is hard to fathom, although Pakistani military strongmen are known to frequently use retired confidants for sensitive jobs. The prevailing theory a decade ago was that General Musharraf had entrusted bin Laden’s safety to his go-to man Brig Ejaz Shah. Musharraf 's successor Kayani could have similarly entrusted the task to Brig Usman Khalid, according to the intelligence grapevine.

If indeed the ISI walk-in in the same Brig Usman Khalid, New Delhi will have much to be concerned about his new status as CIA consultant since he is full of toxic and dangerous theories, including the need for Pakistan and Afghanistan to join forces to liberate Kashmir. Khalid is unapologetic about the Pakistan-inspired insurrection in Kashmir and is an Islamist fantasist who believes Partition is an unfinished business and India will break-up further. “The Muslims were the only people who had developed a ‘national personality’ by 1947 but they were not the only nation. Every nation in India is bound to seek sovereignty as it crystallises its national personality and has a birthright to do so,” Khalid writes in one tract.

Meanwhile, the US media has gradually reeled back on criticism of Hersh’s story about the bin Laden raid. In a story headlined, ‘The detail in Seymour Hersh’s story that rings true,’ Carlotta Gall, the New York Times’ correspondent in Pakistan for many years, said she too had heard about the ISI walk-in from a source but she had held back from publishing it because it was difficult to corroborate it although she did not doubt her source.

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Lets hope if our intelligence agencies wake up now..

http://www.breakingnewspak.com/coas-general-raheel-sharif-urges-proactive-coordinated-role-of-intelligence-agencies/

COAS General Raheel Sharif urges proactive, coordinated role of intelligence agencies
May 15, 2015 20:24 pm

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RAWALPINDI (92 News) – Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif has emphasized the need for more proactive and coordinated role of intelligence agencies for an effective counter terrorism campaign and to counter hostile agencies’ moves to destabilize Pakistan.
He said this during a briefing at ISI Headquarters in Islamabad on Friday.
Director General ISI Lt-Gen Rizwan Akhtar briefed him about internal and external security situation of the country and counter terrorism operations.
The COAS also emphasized the need to further coordinate and synergize a combined civil-military intelligence effort at national level.
The COAS appreciated ISI’s role in preventing numerous terrorist acts.

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Another Story
Germany spy agency helped US in tracking down Osama in Pakistan

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**Just know , How we are cheated and misguided by our media agencies
**The family of the Brigadier whose name was pushed in denied this all
And this photo is some 40 years old

OBL raid: Brigadier family denies he was CIA informer](Redirect Notice)
Pakistan Observer-
Remember soon after his name I doubted and laterally knowing that he has died already everything went more doubtful Real money makers/Traitors are safe
Media is silent as usual
No denial by army ISI or ISPR , but good that their daily statements are now reduced
Formal & turning denial by US & Pakistan
But as some one said , Story was very close to the truth

Randy Stone
Personally, I don’t intend to do so…I’m simply demonstrating that Fisher falls afoul of the same traps he accuses Hersh of.
My position at this point in time is that we need some perspective to analyze and support what Hersh is asserting: his stories on My Lai and Abu Ghraib at first led to some rather speculative pushback. Eventually, he was seen to be correct on both events; time–and research–will tell if that is the case here.
3 days ago
Not too long ago–days, really–folks were dismissing Hersh’s piece, in part, because he questioned the treasure trove which was allegedly found in the bin Laden compound.
Now that Wheeler has exposed this treasure trove as a–let’s be charitable–highly ‘enhanced’ description of what was found, that wall has begun to crumble.
One of the other great unmentionables here is the Sword of Damocles which Obama holds over the proceedings by his relentless pursuit of whistleblowers; who is Hersh going to bring out of the woodwork, on the record, when there are legions of attorneys, which Obama has to hand, willing to pursue sentences of 30 years or more ?
When one considers that this was supposed to be the Most Transparent Administration Ever, it sure seems quite the opposite has proven to be the case. And that’s the way Obama is known to like it; speak eloquently out of one side of his mouth and from the other order the DOJ to go after folks who dare to speak the truth.
Such is betrayal…which is not mitigated in the least because we’re talking about rubbing out bin Laden.

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My book was in Bin Laden’s library and I’m incensed about it
Last week, I learned that the introduction of my book, Fortifying Pakistan (co-authored with Peter Chalk), was part of Osama Bin Laden’s Abbottabad library. While some other members of the Bin…

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This report was so close that it is not being discussed anywhere now . This is called international establishment
Nobody worries about Pakistan but this exposed lies of Obama administration .

**Blackwater created Osama Bin Laden, now busy with building ISIS
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US is being lamed for all Terrorism .

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What we learn from Osama bin Laden’s bookshelf

These are the incredible four-tube night-vision goggles SEAL Team Six wore during the Bin Laden raid

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AP uncle wut else you expect from a russian source which itself doesnt seem to be credible in even russia. Anywaz, check the history of blackwater, I doubt if it was even there when OBL got evolved.

Ab itni lambi lambi bhi na phenka karen :snooty:

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I was only telling that how world media follows the international establishment , Just silent over this big exposure .

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Remained silent on the issue
Discussing like this
A ‘bro’ asked the CIA about Osama bin Laden’s porn stash

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This is fun for them now
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These jokers think everyone is a fool

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Osama bin Laden died in 2005 not in Abbottabad: Hameed Gul - thenews.com.pk
ISLAMABAD: Former Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) Chief Lt. General (retd) Hameed Gul has claimed that al-Qaeda Chief Osama bin Laden died in 2005…

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Now it is easy to understand who told the truth to Seymour Hersh

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who

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Hero Vs Traitors

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And the US people are not forgetting their man
Bring Them Home, Mr. PresidentWall Street Journal-28-Dec-2015
Dr. Shakil Afridi is not a U.S. citizen. But how can we expect people to help us if we leave them to the wolves when they do? Dr. Afridi’s .

And we forgot the traitors who managed US attack on Abbotabad