Forgive me for taking this quote, but I wanted to take this chance to discuss this topic
Now I know about the hadith and counter hadith in this argument ( so spare me the copy paste plz) and the treatment of this by traditional scholars but the question is not of technicality of isnads.Its a bigger issue. Does this make sense ?
^ closer to the heart of the matter.
not about taking up arms etc. obeying a tyrant if **‘if his tyranny is aligned to promote God. **’. for those who say yes, please clarify what tyranny promotes God (I suppose more examples might be Taleban style Islamic rule imposed by force etc..), and why that isnt a contradiction in terms (tyranny implies zulm, zulm cannot be aligned with a Just God?)
Well ravage if thats what you mean, then, its not just a sunni imperative. Shiite religious state have used tyranny to promote their version like any other.