Now who are ismailis?

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The thing that gets me about them is the fact and please correct me if I am wrong.. but Ismailis claim themselves to be shias and also take Imam Ali A.S, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain A.S as their Imams but their current Imam... teachings are so different unlike those Imams or the 12 imams of firqa-e-Jafferia.. I mean I am talking about things like their current Imam cannot marry people of his own community they are like daughter and sisters to him or something eventhough Imam Ali A.S married to the daughter of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. similar applies to Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H himself.... similarly what I have heard is that ismailis are not allowed to talk about their religon to others ..... whereas Islam doesn't stop people from tableeg....

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they pray and they say the kalima and roza they do keep..
am not sure about zakat and haj …

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But …

Does God require that all people be Muslim?

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they give 2% of their earning in jamat khana only. This is their zakat.
haj: just looking at price AGa khan is equivalent to haj because AGA khan is the representative of GOD.

meray pass aga kahn academy ki janib say un ka belief ka poster moajood hai jo unhonay muslim scholers kay israr per publish kia. i can scan it for you i you want!!1

surely, they are not muslims because like qadianies day says that their immam is the final authority after god because he is god’s representative and take instructions directly from god.

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Hey Guys, Salam,

First of all what i want to say is that if you dont know about Ismailism, then stop talking about it.

Second if you wanna know about Islam, there are books published by IIS, which will be very helpfull for you.

Third, From where did you get the point that we Ismailies only pay 2% to their Jamatkhana ??? They Pay 12.5% of their income to their Jamatkhanas.

Fourth, Whoever told that Girls lay on their belly and spread their hair for Aga Khan as a carpet is complete False.

Fifth, Ismailies do believe what Aga Khan has to say, becuase He is their Imam. If Imam Ali asks you to do something wont we guys do it ?? We will, its same for them, Aga Khan is there Imam, and they follow what he has to preach.

Hope this is of some help, any other query, ask i wont mind giving you guys answer, but whoever is posting the comments please put the source in.

All the above mentioed points can be proven by any Ismaili Scholoar, or the History books published by IIS.

With Regards,

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I have a question, a friend of mine is ismaili, and according to her eating haram/non zabiha food is not an issue in thier faith, as long as you say bismillah over it, it's ok. Q is, does my friend know what she's talking about?

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MaMooli
Cool!!!! that solves a lot of problem I dont have to starve on soup and french fries here

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ismails r not muslims...they consider aga khan equal to the prophet...as i have seen them giving his picture too much extra respect..even more worst,they r active in gilgit,karachi and other aeas to make people aga khni by using advantage of poverty and umeployment...their activities need to be check strictly

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Some of the seem to believe the rumors that others spread about Ismailism without doing any real research and finding out the truth.

Attia: If you’re really interested in finding out more about Ismailism, then why don’t you want to read web sites give by people but rather, want them to write it here. No offense but stuff like that irritates me…that so many people aren’t willing to spend the time to find out the truth but love to hear what other’s have “heard” about Ismailis instead of finding out from the source itself.

I’m not Ismaili but I have TONS of very good friends who are…I’ve read the books they have in their homes(many of which are only available in JamatKhanas), I’ve visited the JamatKhana’s out of curiosity, I’ve been to events held at their JamatKhana and I’ve had tons of discussions with my friends and their parents about this.

Firstly, their current dua is in Arabic. It’s a 6 part dua that is recited 3x a day. There is a web site online that has the complete(and correct) dua with the translation. The ironic thing is that it’s a “anti-Ismaili” web site. I forgot the name of the site but if I find it, I’ll post it. HOWEVER, I do know Ismaili families who pray namaaz just like Sunnis do. According to their beliefs, traditional namaaz is not necessary(most believe that saying the dua is fine) BUT there is nothing that forbids them from performing the namaaz.

Second, only 1 person mentioned this and she was right…Ismailis are required to give 12.5% of their income to their JamatKhana. However, many devoted Ismailis who can afford it, choose to give even more. Also, all their JamatKhana/community workers(and believe me, there are hundreads if not thousands of them at least here in Houston and Dallas), are all volunteers.

They do believe that there is no God but Allah and that Prophet Muhammad was his messenger. As far as their fasting, again, it’s not “required” according to Ismaili practices, but there’s nothing that forbids it, and there are some Ismaili faimilies who do fast in Ramadan.

As far as the whole virging laying on the floor for Aga Khan and other nonsense like that, please provide some kind of proof. I have tons of Ismaili friends, heck I have Ismaili friends who’re “officially” Ismaily, and practice with their family, but in their heart they don’t believe most of the teachings, I have friends who used to be Christian/Sunni etc. and converted into Ismailiam…and not a single Ismaili I have ever talked to or any of their own teachings even hint at stupid practices like that.

They highly value education and equal rights for women. In fact, there was a speech by the previous Aga Khan given almost 60 years ago when he told his followers that if they have a boy and a girl, and if they can only afford to educate one child, then they should educate the girl since she will be the one teaching children at home later in life.

BTW, in Houston, one of the JamatKhana’s that’s located in SugarLand hold “tours” for the Jamatkhana. So if anyone wants to visit, you can call them up and set up an appointment to look around and ask any question you want to. They’re(at least the people I’ve dealt with) are very friendly.

Anyway, well, if anyone cares enough to actually take the time to do some reading and find out FACTS instead of believing what other’s have “heard”…here is a very good website with TONS of reading about Ismailis. The site even has forums where you can find almost every topic imaginable related to Ismailis. And if you post something in there RESPECTFULLY, someone on there will answer your q. Some of the articles include things like significance of the Imam for Ismailies, there current Ismaili constituion is in there also…and there’s a wonderful article that’s actually a part of the memoirs of the previous Aga Khan.

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Here is the link if u want to discover the true ISLAM
www.allaahuakbar.net
in this all the information about all of the sects of islam and also other religions
this is a very very good site
and u will get authentic and with reference information about all of them please visit
www.allaahuakbar.net

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Thanks Lost for putting such a post. I was about to put the link of ismaili.net in my last post, but it slipped by mind, but still if people who think the website are wrong, i will like them to suggest to read this book:

A Short History of The Ismailis:
Traditions of a Muslim Community
By Farhad Daftary

The Ismaílís:
Their History and Doctrines
By Farhad Daftary

Doctrines of Shi`i Islam:
A Compendium of Imami Beliefs and Practices
By Ayatollah Ja'far Sobhani
Translated and edited by Reza Shah-Kazemi

The above mentioned books are the books which hold the truth about Ismailes. These books are just not published, they have been researched before getting them published.

I will like to recomend one more website which states speeches and articles about Islam and Ismailes: www.iis.ac.uk

There was a post which stated that a Ismaili was saying that they are allowed to eat Haram food just by saying Bismillah, its NOT TRUE. She dosent kow what she is saying.

And Lost one point from your Post, Nothing in the Ismailies History states that they are not allowed to Fast in Ramadhan, but i will say 90% of the familes think like that cuase they have interpreted some things in wrong manner. But i have talked to many Ismaili Scholar and done my own research too and it proves that Never any of the Ismaili Imams has said that Fasting in Ramadhan is not Required.

With Regards,

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One more thing, which i forgot to add in my last reply

A Reply to Guy 1 who is saying that "r active in gilgit,karachi and other aeas to make people aga khni by using advantage of poverty and umeployment".

Okay, buddy, Aga Khan Foundation is a NGO is doing something good for people around the world who are poor and are unemplyed, they dont spread the word to become Ismailies, and i can say that becuae i have done Internship with them, and i know the entire process. The problem with people is that when some organization is doing good more then they can imagine, they start spreading things. Its the ignorance of people who cant look things straight. In this world doing Good for other people is also think Bad.

Just go to this website: www.akdn.org Check there projects and location of there projects, they jsut dont do work where there are majority of Ismailies, but places where there are no Ismailies. Come on guys, i think you guys are educated, before making such claims you should be doing some research.

Thats all i have to say for now.

With Regards,

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Please either copy/paste entire or part of the relevant material or direct members to the exact URLs pertaining to the topic than just suggesting to visit a website in general.

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my dear, aga khanis have been using advantage of people poverty...its on u to believe.. ..

and many people in pak know tht...problem is tht many people in this forum r not pakis...

and the proof for wht i m saying is the increasing number of aga khanis in gilgit and other areas....

same goes with qadiyanism fitna....they also do the same...both qadiyanis and aga kahnis have lot of money...and u people "buy" poor people and convert them into ur verison

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yes ahmadis do give zakat…

as far as haj is concerned , ahmadis tend to go to hajj once in their lifetime, ahmadis from all over the world try to go to hajj once in their life time ( but they can not go their from pakistan, since pakistani passport have a religion forum , and if it states ahmadi muslim they wont allow them to go to saudi arabia )