No More Fanaticism as Usual--One More Rushdie

I have admired some of the writting in the past by Rushdie. Lekin iss piece meiN yay sahib kuch ziyada hee jazbaatiat dikhanay kee koshish kar rahay heiN. self-aggrandizing to yay bilkul ho rahay heiN (Waisay Ana, what does "self-aggrandizing" mean anyway?).

I think Islamist is a very legitimate term. May be Ana should get off of her liguistic correctness and try to understand the concept behind words.

What Mr Rushdie here means by "Islamists" are those who are actively propagating the orthodox idealogy of Islam to overlap every modern aspect of the society without any regards to practicality of their worlds. It's the group of Muslims who focus more on the sociological aspect of the religion more than pragamatic practice of it.

The term "Muslim", on the other hand as I understand, represent any believer who commonly believes in Islam, fundamentalist, non-fundamentalist, moderate, non-moderates included.

Roman: Islamists, (and muslims canprobably correct me on this) lends more towards the politicization of islam. As in governance, law etc.

HaaN, politicization is a better word than sociological.

I read that piece already Ohio.

CH & NYA - what I find irritating about this fellow - and yes NYA, I have some of his writings, not like I haven't - but what I find damnable about him is his treachery. He thinks he is someone who is doing Islam a service - but when did he? It's the other people whose plights he is highlighting that have gone and done all the work. He's just harping on it, and that too in a false light, sorry. Nowhere in any of his news articles that I have read, do I see him trying to shed a light on what he himself ever did. And this "Islamists" word, I have been reading constantly, constantly, constantly. It just gets to you. The fellow is a hypocrite alright. He claims to be doing some service to Islam, but he can't call Muslims, Muslims? What the heck is that? I don't think calling a group pf people "Islamist" in any way mitigates or absolves the rest of the muslim world from blame for our ills, moderate or not. Whoever is doing wrong and wrecking havoc everywhere, if they believe in Allah, they are from our society, they are one of us. Simple. There's no bracketting off of "U r an Islamist and I'm not" BS. Only a person who himself is not a muslim would say something like that, in which case, that's fine.. but then don't claim to be some insider scholar on Islam either, and think u can speak for the muslim community. That ain't gonna work, and I'm not going to stand for it.

Half the muslim world's "moderates" adore Rushdie, the other half abhor him. That's coz the goose keeps switching sides, and changing his speeches. He has no ruddy idea what he heck he is himself in the first place, how dare he go around pointing fingers at others. And if he does pont fingers and use his power of free speech, fine, so do a thousand other journalists and writers.. let him shut up and take his position in line like the rest of them and do his job like the rest of them without humongous publicity and massive crowds raining flower petals on him, rather than going around the world saying "I'm a Muslim and I know what's best for Islam". Dichotomy in muslim societies everyone can see.. all the rest of the world's writers who believe in free speech aren't dead yet.

He has the arrogance to think people are following him.. that's pathetic! I see what the fellow's up to... being the chingari that can ignite a huge fire. He likes it. His articles are nothing more than jabs at Islam, a poking in the ribs. He has a high and mighty tone that Haar always accuses me of, but u can just tell this guy is not genuine. Gut feeling. He's doing it for the money and that's all.

After all, where was he when he should have been writing all these great progressively-minded articles after the SV fatwas? Why stagnate then? Islam was dead in the world then? Islamic practice in societies al those years did not deserve his meritorious attention? Why didn't he damn people to hell before.. WHY NOW?? When the whole world can see what's wrong now.. and the fellow chose to shup up all these years.. what happened to democracy and the welfare of Islamic society then?

Arrite I 4got the rest.. l8r.

And that tone he's using. Not even Islam's harshest critics use that kind of tone. It's like he's pouring scorn everywhere...

Such an open-minded guy Rushdie is, he has so a lot of money, why doesn't he start a cult of his own and help these small Rushdies get a heaven of their own?

Words are cheap. The guy can give a 2 sh*t about those he talks about. In fact, if the Mullahs had em all, he be the first in line for the butchers position.

Like the saying goes, “You couldn't be a good Hindu, you an't a good Muslim, try being a good human.”

Ana: I actually think the to me is absolutely on the mark. Call me a moderate muslim but some of the stuff that he is commenting on with the fatwas and the death sentence in Iran is quite flabbergasting.

Chaltahai, you're an idiot. It is not WHAT he is talking about. It is HOW and WHY he's talking about.

It was in reference to the tone of the article.. Unbunch the hanes for ladies!!!!

Well, he isn't the *only * commentator in the world on those flabbergasting issues, is he? So why doesn't he get off his high horse? Why doesn't he stop harping and start doling out some concrete fatwas of his own? Being a spectator can be only so painless; we all are. But instead of offering constructive criticism, he's intent on bringing the house down. He says Muslims in the West are unnaturally silent on issues... what rot. If it weren't for the moderation of Muslims in the west, he wouldn't be sitting alive and hearty in the west. Muslims in the west are what's fueling this introspection forward. His is not the only voice in the west. There are non-muslim voices too. He gives Muslims in the west what amount of credit? Pahlease. His article is just a taunting exposition and that's it. This country is like this, this country is like that.. whine whine simper simper... and I am the greatest thing to happen to Islam. Huh. His article is getting us a lot of places, and we'd really have no idea what's going on in the muslim world if it weren't for him. Rite. I ask myself, this fellow is trying for brownie points from whom exactly?

Brother Roman, exercise your freedom of speech and shut up... please.

Sister Ana, you have great control over me. Make me... please.

Sri Anaji: I see these article questioning the status quo in Islam once in a blue moon. Maybe I am not that well read but if the punishment for questioning governance and social norms can lead to one's head on the chopping block, I can see why there aren't many voices. (Alive)

In Amreeka we have a saying, "don't shoot the messenger". especially the one who's not from god. :)

Brother Roman, I refer u to Sister Muzna's thread which is still resounding with some mighty heart-wrenching pleas for pity, compassion and forgiveness written in the early morning hours... would u like to go over them again in this thread?

Ana: Please don't cross the streams in this urinal. thanks in advance!!

What? Now u totally lost me.

And as for q the status quo, well he's done it and more. I just took offense to the way he did it. End of matter.

But the beauty is that they try to do that while they are also practicing muslims.

What I really never understood is why the secularists and atheist have such a problem when people politicize Islam (if there is such a thing, as politicizing Islam). And people who know zilch about Islam think that the islamist are enforcing Orthodox Islam (again if there is such a thing).

I think being muslim its part of our beleive that Islam is a complete package, so there is no point for you to :frusty:

Because the concepts of egalitarianism and equality which islam professes are somehow lost when it is politicized. Jizya, land of islam and land of war...sharia.....polygamy. A different setof rules for a different set of times.

Die Evil Thread DIE!!

ok ...guys enjoy thanks giving.

Roman, NYA, CH and all......