Niqab in Islam

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No but Women body attracts men that is natural their are some man who are in reality DOGS so why give them a chance and if being naked is being civilized than Animals are the most civilized creatures on the face of the earth

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Rapists are sick human beings. This sickness cannot be cured by covering up women. Do you think a pervert will care if a woman is covered up or not?

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I know a woman who was covered up over weight etc and she was still raped.
Do you think wearing a Niqab would change it?

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what about muslim women living in Indonesia/Malayasia and some other parts of world not doing Niqab as like in Pakistan or SA?

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Sir their are many women in Indonesia and Malaysia who do niqab who yes many of them do not but many of them do

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LucyMay women has to cover it up because it is the order of ALLAH secondly it decreases the chance of Rape third women body attracts men that is a scientific fact third every man and women should walk by looking down except when necessary third even if than rapes take place punish the rapist and show it in public you will see the result and punishment is DEATH in Islam

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^ Mukobhai, you are right that women's bodies attract men - however Allah has given humans freedom of action and hence we are responsible for our actions.

There are women over here so I'd like to ask them: If man was only covered from his belly to his knees compared to a man covered from head to toe in a burqa & niqab - which man would you be more attracted to? If the answer is both equally/unequally then everything is fine. If your answer is that you as a woman would be attracted to the man without the niqab - then in my opinion wherever women are required to cover themselves - men should also be required to cover themselves - for men and women are created equal.

In my uneducated opinion - satr for men is underprescribed - while overprescribed for women.

To those more knowledgeable here - your views on satr are they based on the Quran - or the Quran and the Sunnah+Hadith? Is the Niqab - Hijab - burqa - things that are stated in the Quran or not?

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Sir Most women are not attracted by men on their looks Sir women and men are created equal but are different in nature man can't produce children man Women and Man different in physics that is why women have to cover more that is the LAW of ALLAH secondly order of Hijab and Niqab is in the Quran in Surah Noor and Surah Ahzab and it is the order of ALLAH and my views are based on both QURAN and SUNNAH that includes HADEES and their are some very horrfying Ayats and Hadees for those women who do not cover themselves up properly I mean according to the orders of ALLAH

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Dear Mukobhai

Women are indeed attracted to men by their looks - are you telling me that a sane woman would be indifferent between a fat - sleazy - 5foot 5inch guy versus a handsome muscular - tall guy? The women that I have asked this question from have always chosen the handsome guy.

Yes men and women are different - but also equal.

You mention your views are based on Quran and Sunah - can you please quote the relevant ayat?

Thank you.

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This.

well said.

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Read Surah Noor and Surah Ahzab whole surah are almost about these issues and women and men are equal but in some cases ALLAH has different orders for them

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Mukobhai - why don't you tell me to read the entire Quran?

Specific ayats please - by doing so you would make a bigger contribution to the thread. You can take your time as I'm sure you're a busy person. I'll try looking at some articles later tonight or tomorrow as well.

Thanks

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Hadith - Bukhari 1:148
The wives of the Prophet

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used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet “Let your wives be veiled,” but Allah’s Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam’a the wife of the Prophet

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went out at ‘Isha’ time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, “I have recognized you, O Sauda.” He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of “Al-Hijab” (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

The Noble Qur’an - Al-Ahzab 33:59
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils)* all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
*the arabic word here is Jalabeeb (plural of Jalbaab), which is the loose outer garment that covers all a woman’s body. It says here to use the Jalabeeb to cover all, and scholars say this means to use it to cover her head (agree upon by all scholars) and her face (agreed by many scholars, not all) and one or both eyes, in order for it to be known that she is a free woman and so not to be exposed to any harm.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Bukhari 6:282
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]'Aisha

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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]used to say: “When (the Verse): ‘They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,’ was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.”

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu’minin

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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]When the verse “That they should cast their outer garments over their persons” was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

The lower half of the hijab is a garment that does not show the woman’s figure. Jeans and certain obvious garments do not meet this requirement.
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]The Apostle of Allah

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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]was brought some pieces of fine Egyptian linen and he gave me one and said: Divide it into two; cut one of the pieces into a shirt and give the other to your wife for veil. Then when he turned away, he said: And order your wife to wear a garment below it and not show her figure.

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Prescribed Methods of Covering
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Tafseer - Ibn Katheer
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]“Allah commanded the muslim women to cover this sheet on top of them to cover their bodies except one eye, when it is necessary for them to come out of their homes.”
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Tafseer - Commentary by Ibn Jarir and Ahkam-ul-Quran, Vol.III, p.457
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Imam Muhammad bin Sirin said: “When I asked Ubaida bin Sufyan bin al-Harith (ra) the meaning of this verse and how the jalbaab was to worn, he demonstrated it to me by pulling a sheet of cloth over his head to cover his entire body, leaving the left eye uncovered. This was also the explanation of the word 'Alaihinna in this verse”
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Tafseer - Alu’si, Rul-ul-Ma’ani, Vol. 22, p. 89
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]"Ibn Jarir Tabari and Ibn Al-Mundhir described the method of wearing the jalbaab according to Ibn Abbas (ra) and Qatadah (ra). The sheet should be wrapped around from the top, covering the forehead, then bringing one side of the sheet to cover the face below the eyes so that most of the face and the upper body is covered. This will leave both eyes uncovered (which is allowed in necessity).

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Color of Garment
The female companions were known to wear black and dark colors (such as the hadith above, “crows on their heads”), but other colors are also permissible for a woman to wear. She must not wear any color, however, in vanity.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari 7.715
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]…'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil …
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari 7.733
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]that he had seen Um Kulthum, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle (saaws), wearing a red silkgarment.
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Sahih Al-Bukhari 7.713
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]The Prophet (saaws) was given some clothes including a black Khamisa. The Prophet said,“To whom shall we give this to wear?” The people kept silent whereupon the Prophet said, “Fetch Um Khalid for me.” I (Um Khalid) was brought carried (as I was small girl at that time). The Prophet took the Khamisa in his hands and made me wear it and said, “May you live so long that your dress will wear out and you will mend it many times.” On the Khamisa there were some green or pale designs (The Prophet saw these designs) and said, “O Um Khalid! This is Sanah.” (Sanah in a Ethiopian word meaning beautiful).
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Sunan of Abu Dawood #4055, Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]We came down with the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) from a turning of a valley. He turned his attention to me and I was wearing a garment dyed with a **reddish yellow **dye. He asked: What is this garment over you?I recognised what he disliked. I then came to my family who were burning their oven. I threw it (the garment) in it and came to him the next day. He asked: Abdullah, what have you done with the garment? I informed him about it. He said: [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Why did you not give it to one of your family to wear, for there is no harm in it for women.

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Must a Woman Wear Niqab (Veil)?

 The general understanding in Islam regarding Sunnah, is that if the Prophet

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or any of his wives (RA) or companions (RA) are recorded in authentic hadith to have engaged in an act that is not haram (prohibited) as defined by Qur’an or Sunnah, then the act is declared halal (permissible). If the companions engaged in an act that the Prophet

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was aware of and did not speak out against, it is halal.
It is well-known that the wives of the Prophet

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covered their faces any time non-mahram men were near. A woman named Asma, who was not a wife of the Prophet

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, was also recorded as covering her face. Easily, one can conclude that wearing veil is halal (permissible).
However, Muslims and Muslimahs across the world have been in “hot debate” for centuries, over the issue of whether or not covering the face is obligatory upon a Muslimah. Those who argue that it is not required, point to the use of the wordkhimar in the Qur’an, and explain that today’s modern khimar does not cover the face, and argue that khimar has never referred to the covering of the face, but only to that of the hair, neck, and bosoms. While one cannot deny the support of Hadith that indicate that the Prophet’s wives wore khimar, one must realize that they also covered their faces at all times in the presence of non-mahram men.
The group of scholars agree that it is a highly recommended act to cover the face. The scholars also agree that a woman must cover her adornment, yet some scholars argue that this does not include the face.
BASING ON CULTURE VS. QURAN AND SUNNAH. …Most Muslim men, even in America, would be pleased if their wives veil, but some state that a veil draws too much attention, causing men to look upon her more than normal. * However, one must realize that when men ‘look’, they have nothing of her to see!* Regardless, this issue must stick to understanding and implementing Qur’an and Sunnah, and not making excuses based on the current culture. Muslims are ordered not to imitate the dress of any non-Muslim culture, so, surely, we cannot make the choice to wear Niqab based on the pressures of modern day society; instead, we choose, insha’Allah, to fear Allah, swt, and not mankind!
When in a state of ihram, the muslimah cannot wear niqab. However, according to several scholars, such as Sheikh ibn Baz, even when in a state of ihram, “she should lower her headcovering or outer cloak over her face when she is in the presence of non-mahram men.” So, it is to say that she should not cover her face around the other women during ihram, but that she should cover it if a non-mahram man approaches. He bases this on the hadith below, narrated by 'Aisha

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[li]In Fathul Bari, chapter Hajj, a tradition reported on the authority of Aisha (RA) says:[/li][LIST]
[li]“A woman in a state of Ihram (during Hajj and Umrah) should stretch her head - cloth over to her face to hide it.”[/li][/ul]
[li]***Hadith - Recorded by Ahmad, Abu Dawud and ibn Majah, Narrated 'Aisha. ***[In his work Jilbab al-Marah al-Muslimah, al-Albani states (p. 108) that it is hasan due to corroborating evidence. Also, in a narration from Asma, Asma also covered her face at all times in front of men.][/li][ul]
[li]Narrated 'Aisha (RA) who said, "The riders would pass us while we were with the Messenger of Allah[/li]
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). When they got close to us, we would draw our outer cloak from our heads over our faces. When they passed by, we would uncover our faces."
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[/LIST] According to Shaikh ibn Uthaimin, “she is not required to cover her face during the prayer unless there are non-related men around her. She must then cover her face from them, as it is not allowed for a woman to uncover her face except to her husband and her male relatives i.e., mahram.”
If a woman is not around any non-mahram men and does not fear that any will enter her area of salah, she may reveal her face and hands. This is agreed upon by the group of scholars.
So, whether agreeing that niqab is required or not, one must surely acknowledge that it is a desirous sign of piety. What better example of sunnah to follow for a muslimah than that of the Prophet

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and his wives RA. Every Muslimah is encouraged to cover to the fullest, showing only one or both eyes.
*** A woman does not have to wear a niqab (affixed veil), but she should emulate the female companions by using her hijab or other items, to lift and cover her face when a non-mahram man approaches, even during ihram (hajj), as this is in accordance with sunnah. ***
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Muwatta 20.16
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that Fatima bint al-Mundhir said, “We used to veil our faces when we were in ihram in the company of Asma bint Abi Bakr as-Siddiq.”
The following Fatawa is from Sheikh Ibn Uthaimin:
"The Islamic hijab is for the women to cover everything that is forbidden for her to expose. That is, she covers everything that she must cover.
"The first of those bodily parts that she must cover is her face. It is the source of temptation and the source of people desiring her. Therefore, the woman must cover her face in front of those men that are not Mahram (i.e. father, huband, etc.).
"As for those who claim that Islamic hijab is to cover the head, shoulders, back, feet, shin and forearms while allowing her to uncover her face and hands, this is a very amazing claim. This is because it is well-known that the source of temptation and looking is the face. How can one say that the Shariah does no allow the exposure of the foot of the woman while it allows her to uncover her face?
"It is not possible that there could be in the Esteemed, Wise and Noble Shariah a contradiction. Yet everyone knows that the temptation from uncovering the face is much greater than the temptation that results from the uncovering of the feet. Everyone also knows that the most sought after aspect of the woman for men is the face. If you told a prospective groom that a woman’s face is ugly but her feet are beautiful, he would not propose to such a woman.
"However, if you told him that her face was beautiful but her hands, palms, or shins were less than beautiful, he would still propose to her. From this one can conclude that the face is the first thing that must be covered.
“There are also evidences from the Book of Allah (SWT) and the Sunnah of our Prophet (SAW). There are also statements from the Companions, the leading Imams and the great scholars of Islam that indicate that it is obligatory for the woman to cover all of her body in the presence of non-Mahram men. This obviously indicates that it is obligatory upon the woman to cover her face in front of such men.”

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Refutation For those who claim niqaab is not wajib and the face and hands of a woman can be seen by (ghairMahrrum) strange men.

Refutation from Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen
This is taken from the book “Hijaab” by Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen from Saudi Arabia. Printed by Madrasah Arabia Islamia Azaadville- South Africa.
Translated by Hafedh Zaheer Essack, Rajab 1416 (December 1995)
The Ulamah who are of the opinion that it is permissible to look at the face and hands of a strange woman (who is not mahrrum) say so mainly for the following reasons.
The hadeeth of Ayeshah (Radhiallaahu Ánha) when Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) the daughter of Abu Bakr came to the Rasulullaah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands. But this hadeeth is WEAK because of 2 main weaknesses.
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[li]There is no link between Ayeshah (Radhiallaahu Ánha) and Khalid bin Dareek, who narrated the hadith from her. And in every chain of narrators Khalid bin Dareek is mentioned.[/li][li]In the chain of narrators Sa’eed bin Basheer appears, who is known by most of the Muhaditheen as being a weak narrator.[/li][/ol]This has been mentioned by Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal (Rahimahullah), An-Nasai (Rahimahullah), Ibn Madeeni (Rahimahullah) and Ibn Ma’een (Rahimahullah). This is also why Imaam Bukhari (Rahimahullah) and Muslim (Rahimahullah) did not except this hadeeth to be in their books. (From Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen in the book “Hijaab” pages # 17 and 18.)
We also have to see that the Muhadith Abu Dawood when he quoted this hadeeth put with it that it is Mursal (with a broken chain that does not lead up to the Sahabah).
(From The Book “Hijaab wa Safur” under the fatwaa of Shaikh Abdul Aziz Bin Bazz on Page #61. Also stated as being weak by Shaikh Nasiruddeen Al-Albaani in his Daeef Sunan Abu Dawud in Kitab-ul-Libas under hadeeth number 4092 (which is the original hadeeth number.)
An other thing that shows the weakness of this hadith is that after the ayah for hijab (Surah Al-Ahzaab – Verse #59) was revealed then the women of Sahaba wore a complete veil and covered the faces and hands. This includes Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) the daughter of Abu Bakr, who is supposed to have narrated this hadeeth. Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) covered herself completely including the face, this has been narrated in authentic hadeeth in Imaam Malik’s “MUWATTA Book 20 Hadeeth # 20.5.16.”

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Read this brother

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Mostly hadith - with one Quranic (33:59) verse which says cover body - not head

thankyou for the copy paste though

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Use your common sense how it is possible you only have to cover head but other body will remain naked are you serious man

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Dear mukobhai brother in Islam - I do not mean to frustrate you. Here are four different versions of translations of 33:59

Khalifa - O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and avoid being insulted. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Picktall - O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Shakir - O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Sher Ali - O Prophet ! tell thy wives and thy daughters, and the women of the believers, that they should pull down upon them of their outer cloaks from their heads over their faces. That is more likely that they may thus be recognized and not molested. And ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

Yosuf Ali - O Prophet ! tell thy wives and thy daughters, and the women of the believers, that they should pull down upon them of their outer cloaks from their heads over their faces. That is more likely that they may thus be recognized and not molested. And ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

Khalifa and Picktall and Shakir don't seem to imply covering the face.

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Learn Arabic than in Arabic over start from the head read the meaning if the words Ysusuf Ali has just given the full detail other wise all the above translation mean the same thing

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Mukobhai do you know Arabic?

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yes a little bit I read the meaning of these exact words which were used in this translation and they all say about covering of the face and when this order came Muslim women used to cover all of their body with a thick cloth in the time of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW as said by SAHABAS except one eye so they can see and walk without any trouble

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It is really impressive that you know Arabic.

However mukobhai I am going to assume that Khalifa - Pickthal - and Shakir knew it better than you. As did Yosuf Ali - Sher Ali. The five of them came to different translations of the same arabic words.