Re: Nawaz Disqualified
^ Must be PCO tires.
It’s the typical logic of the Nawaz thugs. If decision is in their favour = judiciary is independent. If decision is not in their favour = judiciary is corrupt.
Re: Nawaz Disqualified
May Allah save Pakistan from laanti altaafa and his stink that is found all over the place specifically at Karachi. He should pay for all the sins he and his followers have committed. Amin
The comments were metaphorical not literal. So don’t worry about Karachi. I love Karachi as much as you do. Comments were well suited to the thinking of Saleem, who thinks every one is evil here, and AH is sacred cow, untouchable.
Re: Nawaz Disqualified
Nawaz Sharif, The Most Popular Leader in Pakistan
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/23/nawaz-sharif-the-most-popular-leader-in-pakistan/
May Allah save Pakistan from laanti **altaafa **and his stink that is found all over the place specifically at Karachi. He should pay for all the sins he and his followers have committed. Amin
Not just him but Zardari, Nawaz, Ch brothers etc.
This is pure blasphemy. Comparing prophet Mohammad PBUH with ZAB or BB is like comparing apples with oranges. I would suggest please do not drag our prophet in to this ****ty arguments and keep the sanctity of a person above all this nonsense.
Blasphemy ... what blasphemy? ... well good one, no doubt you get your fatwas from retards of Khandhar? :D
The comments were metaphorical not literal. So don’t worry about Karachi. I love Karachi as much as you do. Comments were well suited to the thinking of Saleem, who thinks every one is evil here, and AH is sacred cow, untouchable.
Well, whatever you say is not metaphorical but meta-bull-Sh*t with hint of your lunatic ideas that everyone is bad other than you and your impaired thoughts. Even though you started your post on 22 June (most likely new ID of old face on this forum) most of your post stinks with ethnic comments. If you are Pakistani than I do not think that enemy of Pakistan needs to do anything about Pakistan.
Anyhow, as for NS disqualification, he deserves it. He is convicted terrorist and obviously Pakistan could not allow a convicted terrorist in Parliament. Pakistani laws do not allow thugs, liars, plunderers, thieves and crooks to contest election. Even though Nawaz qualifies for all these adjective medals hands down, certainly his super medal of being convicted terrorist is good enough to bar him from ever running for parliament. It is different matter that as Pakistani Judicial system works, somehow he may come back into Parliament, if not today than maybe in 5 years time, still even if he do come back, it would be due to court allowing him illegally to contest the election.
Atleast get your facts right, NS never filed an appeal, it was the PPP Govt that did. You think NS would want that retard Ataarni General Qayyum defending him?
As usual what a load of crape? What I said about your writings, in every post you are proving your worth. I said for you every one is evil except AH, he is sacred cow untouchable. Were you a balanced and honest person, your comments would have also included the bad deeds of your pir and his cronies.
I am a new person here. I was sick and tired of your racists post in every thread. I just couldn't stand your BS posts, hence all my posts were aimed at you. This would be my last reply. If you have something new to add, I will be happy to respond. Otherwise talking to you is like hitting head against a wall.
Re: Nawaz Disqualified
When people worship a sacred cow aka pir churan wala or lard or low life crap then you can't change their minds. They have technically sold their souls and have no conscience of their own. The entire world hates this low life crap who can't even talk properly, who has dome nothing but loot maar and terrorism, and is called altaafa. He is publicly declared as terrorist in developed countries like Canada. He should soon be prosecuted in England as well if Scotland Yard is allowed to do their investigation in Pakistan. Thanks to Sir Imran Khan for doing Pakistan this great favor.
I am also convinced that some lowlife people who have sold their souls are also on payroll. So just ignore them as they are doing their job by writing rubbish day and night. These pathetic people earn their living by selling their souls. I don't see difference between a dalla and someone who would write essays against his/her conscience just for few pennies.
Let these people live their pathetic lives.
Atleast get your facts right, NS never filed an appeal, it was the PPP Govt that did. You think NS would want that retard Ataarni General Qayyum defending him?
How convenient! isn't it! pardon me, but I have lost interest in this act by "LUCKY PAKISTANI CIRCUS", staring all these clowns sitting IN or OUT of assembly.
PS: guys you cary on with your argument for the sack of argument approach, and all that name calling. ta ta
Ehtasab bhai, It is really amusing to note that people with both opposing views just relate everything with Mush and Nawaz…it’s not difficult even for a baby to understand why the stocks have gone down 26% from their peak levels…it’s the general global outlook of the economies due to energy crisis being faced in the world and particularly in Pakistan due to unstable political scenario created by the retired General who happens to be illegal President of Pakistan in his attempt to engineer a democracy like a certain Mr. Longpost pointed out head I win and tail you lose…
The only reason why the stock prices went up was an engineered attempt by SECP and KSE management to put a curb on crashing market prices by changing the rules of putting lower locks at 1% instead of 5% and banning the short selling …this is only temporary and in next few days you will see that there will be no trading in KSE at all as the lower locks on all the stocks will be applied in first thirty seconds of the opening of the market…you will see an unprecedented hue and cry against the new rules in next few days…and most likely the action is going to back fire…and investor confidence will be totally shattered due to this engineered attempt to increase the values..
This going up and down of stock market has nothing to do with the LHC decision against Nawaz which by the way is main topic of the thread…to give you an insight in to the ruling I am copying a detailed article of Babbar Sattar which appeared in The News today..
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=120961
The deal strikes again
Legal eye
Saturday, June 28, 2008
Babar Sattar
The writer is a lawyer based in Islamabad. He is a Rhodes scholar and has an LL.M from Harvard Law School
A three-member bench of the Lahore High Court declared Nawaz Sharif disqualified from being elected as a member of parliament on Monday. On Wednesday, the Supreme Court stayed elections in the said constituency till the disposal of appeal against the High Court ruling. Few in the country believe that the High Court, as an arbiter dispensing justice, has ruled objectively on the constitutional rights of Mr Sharif and even fewer believe that the outcome of proceedings before the Supreme Court will be strictly guided by the letter and spirit of the Constitution. The foremost damage that General Musharraf’s mischief with the judiciary and PCO judges playing ball with him have done to this country is this: we have been robbed of our faith in the judicial branch as an impartial guardian of the law and citizens’ rights.
The real tragedy of the High Court decision is not that it has declared the leader of a popular mainstream political party ineligible to sit in parliament, but the shoddy manner in which it has been done. To the extent that the High Court found merit in objections to Mr Sharif’s eligibility as a candidate for parliament, it was obligated to address the underlying constitutional questions with logical and convincing legal explanations. Yet the High Court bothered with no discussion of constitutional rights and prohibitions and how they lead to Mr Sharif’s disqualification under Articles 62 and 63 of the Constitution. The ruling alludes to two reasons for disqualification: (a) because an accountability court convicted Nawaz Sharif in 2000 and sentenced him to 14-year rigorous imprisonment and imposed a 21-year disqualification from seeking public office; and (b) because Mr. Sharif has “scandalized, abused, disobeyed and ridiculed the judiciary of Pakistan”.
Let us attempt to decipher what the court is saying.** Article 63(h) of the Constitution states that someone convicted for an offence, “which in the opinion of the Chief Election Commission involves moral turpitude”, would be disqualified from membership of parliament “unless a period of five years has elapsed since his release.” The court probably did not rely on this article for it requires a determination by the Chief Election Commissioner, which he has not rendered in this case. Instead the ruling seems to be based on Article 63(l), pursuant to which a person is disqualified if he has been found guilty of corrupt or illegal practice, “unless a period of five years has passed from the date on which the order takes effect.” So we are still confronted with the issue of timing, as Mr Sharif was convicted and pardoned by the president in 2000 and even if the disabilities of Articles 63(h) or (l) were attracted at one point, they wouldn’t apply any more as it has been over five years since the pardon was granted. **
Article 45 of the Constitution states that, “the president shall have the power to grant pardon, reprieve and respite, and to remit, suspend or commute any sentence passed by any court, tribunal or other authority.” And yet in interpreting this provision, and without quoting any precedent, the High Court just decided that the presidential pardon under Article 45 does not “exonerate” Mr Sharif “from the sentence and conviction recorded by the court of competent jurisdiction, particularly when [Mr Sharif] failed to produce the presidential order.” Does the constitutional pardon not rescue Mr Sharif from Article 63’s disabilities because it cannot take erase the guilt already established by the conviction?** Even if that were so, the disability would only stay in place for 5 years.** So then is the pardon not helpful because the conviction never took effect and thus the five-year cooling-off period never started running? Or is the presidential pardon not effective because while being a part of official record it was not produced in the court by Mr Sharif personally?
So if the presidential pardon doesn’t exonerate (a synonym of pardon!) Mr. Sharif from the sentence and conviction, what is he doing running amok making speeches around the country? After all if his 21 years of disability from seeking public office is still effective despite the pardon, should he not presently be locked up because he was also condemned to rigorous imprisonment for 14 years?** Probably realizing the precariousness of the reasoning in the judgment, the bench decided to throw in the additional charge of bringing the judiciary into ridicule, which attracts disqualification under Article 63(g) of the Constitution. Once again, if it is true that Mr Sharif’s words and actions have “scandalized, abused and ridiculed” the judiciary of Pakistan for purposes of Article 63 of the Constitution, was the Court not under the obligation to try Mr Sharif for contempt of court? Can a person be disqualified as a candidate for parliament and thus punished for committing a crime without ever being formally charged and convicted for the same? **
The Lahore High Court ruling will need to be struck down eventually, if not done immediately by the Supreme Court, for it makes a mockery of our judicial process and the substantive and procedural protections afforded to citizens by the Constitution.** What is as damning as the reasoning of the ruling is it’s timing, which renders our “custodians of justice” vulnerable to the criticism that executive diaktat weigh more heavily on judicial outcomes than considerations of the law.** Is it a coincidence that while the graduation requirement for parliament’s membership and all charges against Asif Zadari and other beneficiaries of NRO have been dropped in a flash, the legal woes of the Sharif brothers just don’t seem to go away? The obvious explanation for the disparate treatment being meted to Mr Zardari and Mr Sharif by our justice system would be that the former has embraced and protected the reigning PCO judges while the latter promises to be their nemesis.
But let us delve deeper. The deal struck between Benazir Bhutto and the general, sponsored by their foreign patrons and executed through the NRO rested on the assumption that the Sharifs will remain in exile till 2010. In accordance with this understanding, the general banished the older Sharif to Saudi Arabia on September 10, 2007, in blatant disregard of his constitutional rights and an unequivocal Supreme Court ruling requiring the government to ensure his unhindered return to Pakistan. His exile finally ended on Nov. 25, 2007, once political events in Pakistan sprang out of the general’s control in the aftermath of his Nov. 3 debacle. Even in the Feb. 18 elections, the real shocker was the number of seats clinched by PML-N. In a nutshell, it is safe to argue that the transition to democracy planned by the general, his domestic allies and foreign patrons envisaged no role for Nawaz Sharif.
On the other hand, despite the much-celebrated alliance between the PPP and PML-N (which I previously argued had the potential of becoming a dream team), the two partners still have their horns locked on the issue of restoration that formed the very basis of their decision to join hands and form government. Meanwhile, the PPP-led government continues to retain the general’s cohorts (AG Malik Qayyum, National Security Adviser Mahmood Ali Durrani and Interior Secretary Kamal Shah among others) in key executive positions, and has now inducted Salmaan Taseer (the general’s caretaker minister for industries in 2007/08) as Governor Punjab. Meanwhile, security czar Rehman Malik orchestrated a devious plan to delay by-elections initially in May, which would primarily have kept the Sharif’s out of parliament. The plan backfired and the PPP needed to indulge in immediate firefighting, thanks in large part to ANP’s disclosure of Mr Malik’s efforts to secure a delay in the by-polls. And now we find PCO courts blocking Nawaz Sharif’s bid to enter the parliament.
These seemingly disjointed facts suggest that notwithstanding the rhetoric of Charter of Democracy and the Murree Declaration, whether it is the approach toward the judiciary and the presidency, the relationship with the United States or making key executive appointments, Asif Zardari is much more aligned with the general as opposed to the PML-N. It has been argued that the PPP-PML-N coalition could have worked wonders in strengthening democracy, rule of law and issue-based politics in Pakistan and forging a common front to fight the security and economy-related challenges confronting the country. But such prognosis was based on the assumption that BB’s assassination had unravelled the deal between PPP and the general.
Despite PPP’s ceremonial Musharraf-bashing, its actions reveal that the party leadership is still in bed with the general. The logic of the PPP-PML-N coalition being beneficial for democracy and rule of law is sound only so far as it gives effect to the Charter of Democracy and the Murree Declaration. But with Asif Zardari running with the hare and hunting with the hounds, the coalition is merely providing him with a useful camouflage. PML-N needs to reassess the virtues of staying in government.
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Yazdi bhaijan. No need to panic. The EX CJ would be restored very soon with all his glorious powers. If the current judiciary does not allow Nawaz Sharif to contest the elections, the I am sure the EX CJ will. I can’t wait for the constitutional amendment. 
Yazdi bhaijan. No need to panic.
Aalsi bhaijan...I am under no panic as I am following paisa sumbhal thamasha dekh policy instead of paisa phenk tamasha dekh...Investors are also not panicky...after all people made a lot of money in the stock market last week with two record sessions of the market when LHC decision against Nawaz Sharif came...with over 900 points in just a day...So Aalsi bhaijan you must be heavily investing in stocks now a days....and please don't panic if for next 30 days you are not able to sell anything when the lower locks are applied in the market without trading...hold on to your portfolio investment as great President Musharraf will do a miracle....
How sad for Karachi Stock Market. KSE index was going down and down since 18th April. But last week was eventful. KSE went down on Monday (23rd June) as usual.
KARACHI, June 23: Karachi Stocks down 493.11 points:
Than good news came Monday evening:
Pakistani court bars former premier Nawaz Sharif from running in upcoming by-elections; Shahbaz case referred back to ECP: ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, June 23 (AP) - The Lahore High Court ruled Monday that former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was not eligible to run in upcoming parliamentary by-elections … (First Posted @ 19:20 PST Updated @ 21:10 PST)
http://www.dawn.com/2008/06/23/welcome.htm
Good news meant KSE bounced next day with highest gain KSE ever seen. Investors thought that Presidency is still strong and would not allow Nawaz Shareef, Zardari and goons of their party to destroy the country by their loot and plunder.
KARACHI, June 24: Karachi Stocks up 960.50 points:
This momentum that started kept going:
KARACHI, June 25: Karachi Stocks up 307.62 points:
KARACHI, June 26: Karachi Stocks up 21.79 points:
But then black cloud came back in evenings of 26th June. Bye-election results showed that some Pakistanis love turmoil and destruction by trusting looters, plunderers, crooks, thugs, and liars, rather prosperity and development of Pakistan by using their votes intelligently. Next day sentiment of people who invest in Pakistani economy, give most of the taxes to country and jobs to poor got into panic. Obviously, people love their country and want the country to prosper, so they invest. But when investors learn that crooks and thugs are in power who would loot and plunder the country, they shy away from investing. Thus, KSE responded and went into negative again.
KARACHI, June 27: Karachi Stocks down 98.89 points:
Anyhow, I think that KSE response was unwarranted as on ground nothing has changed. No National Assembly seats changed hand in bye-election but only names changed so nothing to be excited about. For instance, 5 NA seats were contested and results are as under:
NA-11 (Mardan): Abdul Akbar (PPP) to Khanzada Khan (PPP)
NA-52 (Rawalpindi): Ch Nisar (PML-N) to Muhammad Safdar (PML-N)
NA-55 (Rawalpindi): Makhdoom Hashmi (PML-N) to Haji Pervaiz (PML-N)
NA-131 (Sheikhupura): Rana Tanveer Hussain (PML-N) to Rana Afzaal Hussain (PML-N)
NA-147 (Okara): Manzoor Wattoo (Ind who joined PPP) to Jahangir Wattoo (PPP)
Seat NA-123 (Lahore) on which NS was intending to contest election was abandoned by Javed Hashmi (PML-N). So, if this seat is going to get contested, most likely PML-N would win again.
Some people may not agree with my concluded reason of strong presidency (plus president giving statement of his worries regarding economy) was cause of stock market bounce on 24th June. These people might try to sell reason that it was government step of changing circuit break percentages (1 percent downward and 10 percent upward, from 5 percent on either direction), plus clamping on short selling by reducing period of settling account, that caused stock market bounce.
I could not agree with them because I could not see how changing circuit break percentage could change bearish market rather it should bring panic and we would have seen 1 percent downward trend getting repeated day after day. Reducing period for settling account could slow down decline but I could not see here also any reason for bullish trend.
All above could create some stability in market if investors think that government has started getting serious about tackling Pakistan economical decline. 23rd June changes in Stock Market rules can be taken as sign of some concern in government regarding economy and declining stock market, but that is all. On the other hand, it is obvious to all (including investors) that Nawaz disqualification shows that Presidency is quite strong plus presidency concern regarding deteriorating economy and past records is bound to create enthusiasm and confidence amongst investors and that is what we saw after 23rd June Court decision, market bouncing a bit back.
This spur of bullish mood could not last unless political government shows seriousness and Presidency shows more strength.
Aalsi bhaijan...I am under no panic as I am following paisa sumbhal thamasha dekh policy instead of paisa phenk tamasha dekh...Investors are also not panicky...after all people made a lot of money in the stock market last week with two record sessions of the market when LHC decision against Nawaz Sharif came...with over 900 points in just a day...So Aalsi bhaijan you must be heavily investing in stocks now a days....and please don't panic if for next 30 days you are not able to sell anything when the lower locks are applied in the market without trading...hold on to your portfolio investment as great President Musharraf will do a miracle....
Yazdi bhaijan. No panic for me either. Time to sit back and enjoy the show. :)
Yazdi bhaijan. No panic for me either. Time to sit back and enjoy the show. :)
Aalsi bahaijan...glad to know you have become realistic...instead of believing the capabality of the illegal president you have decided to sit back and relax and to watch the show... Don't trust too much the people who are telling you all is well after disqualification of Nawaz...money is money after all...
Aalsi bahaijan...glad to know you have become realistic...instead of believing the capabality of the illegal president you have decided to sit back and relax and to watch the show... Don't trust too much the people who are telling you all is well after disqualification of Nawaz...money is money after all...
Yazdi bhaijan. All is indeed well. I can't wait wait for the constitutional amendment. As some guppies have stated, it will be 'fair and lovely'. Until then, just back and enjoy the show. :)
This thread is full of falacy. Nawaz Sharif is disqualified? How is that possible as he was never even qualified in the first place? I do not believe it! Oh the blasphemy.