Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

[javedk]

Re: Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

A brave man who did what was assigned to him and died a brave man. He is a shahid.

[Spock]

Re: Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

It was obvious, that he broke the back of the MQM militants. Neutral authors such as Shahid Javaid Burki confirm that it was infact true that he did. and terrorists dont count as civilians. fahi commando, waleed etc, they were responsible for the civilians dying…

[diwana]

Re: Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

Whenever civillians are killed indiscriminately/deliberately, the action can never be called bravery.

[Spock]

Re: Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

@diwana

Whenever civillians are killed indiscriminately/deliberately, the action can never be called bravery.

Diwana, what are your thoughts on the successive operations in Baluchistan and the recent military operations conducted up north?

I also disagree that civilians were being killed deliberately. It wasn’t civilians, granted there must have been some collateral, considering how grave the situation was.

[diwana]

Re: Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

@Spock

Diwana, what are your thoughts on the successive operations in Baluchistan and the recent military operations conducted up north?

I also disagree that civilians were being killed deliberately. It wasn’t civilians, granted there must have been some collateral, considering how grave the situation was.

Great question spock.

First explain the contradictions in your statement as I bolded- Red and Blue.

[Spock]

Re: Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

@diwana

Great question spock.

First explain the contradictions in your statement as I bolded- Red and Blue.

It isnt a contradiction diwana bhai, if theres such a mass operation in such a big densely populated city, where the suspects are hiding within the people, a collateral is a given… Furthermore, alot of people can testify to the fact that it was infact the MQM leadership that killed many civilians to perpetrate a human rights angle to the whole operation. It was a deep rooted effort to topple the short democratic stints in the 90s by anti-Pakistani elements.

[diwana]

Re: Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

@Spock

…in such a big densely populated city, where the suspects are hiding within the people, a collateral is a given…

Bhai sahab, this kind of excuse is used by people who care less for human lives, its value and respect. These people hate certain kind of people and do not discriminate among good and bad people in a large group of people.

**Sorry, this is simply a pathetic and ludicurous argument. **

Are you one of those people Merc belongs to? If yes, then fess up your guilt in approving ANY loss of innocent people.

Furthermore, alot of people can testify to the fact that it was infact the MQM leadership that killed many civilians to perpetrate a human rights angle to the whole operation. It was a deep rooted effort to topple the short democratic stints in the 90s by anti-Pakistani elements.

OK. Maybe. So what justifes killing of innocents in the name of collateral damage?

**I do not try to get personal, but if you happened to be on the street and your most hated MQM member …say Altaf Hussain ( as you say Kalia) is passing by **

**or **

**is with you in the same airplane **

and

incidentally someone with same mentality as Babar fires on people indiscriminately to kill AH and you unfortunately get hit,

OR

someone blows up that plane for killing AH,…boom! You are also gone!

Now!

Should your family feels no remorse on your death as ‘collateral damage’ and accept you got killed as ‘collateral damage’ ?
Should they feel good that at least one of your most hated person is gone, regardless what happened to you?

**Bottom line: Would you like yourself be on the receiving end of this sad argument of killing innocent people in the name ‘collateral damage’? **

I need answers to ALL questions… in yes or no… before you explain. Thank you bhai sahab.

P.S. Read carefully the essence of my argument and try not get hung up on scenarios.

[Doppleganger]

Re: Naseerullah Babar dies (1928-2011)

@Spock

It isnt a contradiction diwana bhai, if theres such a mass operation in such a big densely populated city, where the suspects are hiding within the people, a collateral is a given… Furthermore, alot of people can testify to the fact that it was infact the MQM leadership that killed many civilians to perpetrate a human rights angle to the whole operation. It was a deep rooted effort to topple the short democratic stints in the 90s by anti-Pakistani elements.

Alqaida is not in favor of Pakistan either (they don’t even accept the constitution of Pakistan) and drone strikes aren’t against civilians, granted there must have been some collateral considering the situation in Waziristan…