Mysterious banners urging COAS to take over put up across country

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What you say has been discussed several times. That point was why coup would not fail in pakistan. The difference is politicians. Why people in pakistan would not bother if army takes over? Because politicians are evil and its thier fault that people consider army saints next to them.
So there is point to educate people and realize politicians that why coup failed in turkey and why it would not fail in pakistan. It has nothing to do with saleem personally nor does it suggest army take over but you were trying to discredit it.

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In Pakistan the coup will not fail cuz all the dictators know they have JI ever ready to sit on their lap without even asking for a tip in the end of dance :chai:

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Lol…

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I agree with you here.

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[RIGHT]I agree with him 100%. He was commenting on recent coup attempt in Turkey.

کاش 1977 میں پاکستانی عوام بھی باہر نکلے ہوتے تو آج ملک کا یہ حال نہ ہوتا۔ (BBZ)

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I read in one English newspaper that Musharraf bought a flat in Cambridge court, and thus I always believed that Musharraf bought 2 bed flat in ‘Cambridge Court’ on Edgware road in 2009, that was worth few hundred thousand pounds.

But I could not find any 2 bed property that got sold in Cambridge court ‘W2 1EU’ during 2009 (when Musharraf bought his flat). Actually, I found one bed flat sold in Cambridge court on 13 July 2009 for £260,000 … and that was the one I thought Musharraf bought.

Price can be checked here:

Anyhow, today I learned that probably the flat Musharraf bought was not in Cambridge court, but it was 28 Castle acre, Hyde Park Crescent W2 2PT and Musharraf paid £1.35 million for the flat on 13 May 2009.

Price can be checked here:

interesting thing is that both flats were sold on 13th. One on 13 May 2009 and other on 13 July 2009).

Anyhow, since I found out the discrepancy and since I always quoted that he bought his flat in Cambridge Court, I am correcting that mistake.

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Bhai, your interpretation of my post is miles out of mark. It seems, you could not even digest simple sarcastic statements. :)

What I wrote was that: When demand and call of military takeover was coming from Pakistan, step was supposed to be taken (as expected) by honourable armed forces of Pakistan, but reaction of the call came from honourable armed forces of Turkey.

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I think democracy in UK and many western countries are perfect … or at least near to perfect.

Anyhow, you are right that most democratic governments, especially in third world countries, are not perfect. But still, they are democracy.

One most important part of democracy is independence of Election commission, Accountability department, intelligence agencies, judiciary, police, bureaucracy and establishment. Since in Pakistan, no department is independent, Pakistan has no democracy.

In Pakistan we have Crooks and Thugs ruling in the name of democracy. Place of such Crooks and Thugs is prison or rope, but that could not happen as they have made all departments their slaves. Only institution that is relatively free from their influence is armed forces, and that is why it is duty of armed forces to free Pakistanis from illegal occupation of these crooks and thugs, kick their dirty asses and send them where they deserve to be.

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Any democracy is better than a General, is not only a absurd statement, but joke on human intelligence. It is true that on average, a democratic government is better than military or monarchy (both were same in old days), but that is only true if there is proper democracy. On the other hand, if crooks and thugs get into power using the name democracy, than a country gets a system that is worse than worse of dictatorship, monarchy or military rule. For instance, Hitler got into power through democracy as he got elected and became head of Germany, still his rule can be considered worse than any historical dictatorship, monarchy or military rule.

On the other hand, we have exemplary Monarchy of Sulaiman (AS) and Dawood (AS), whose story of rule is in Quran. So was the rule of Zulqarnain (mentioned in surah Kahf), who was again a Monarch. Best part is that, all three were Generals too.

So, unless you deny what is mentioned in Quran, you cannot make claim that democracy is better than General.

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Well, I posted picture of a person whose brother is ruler of Turkey. Now show me picture of a person (as above) whose brother in Pakistan was political ruler. Anyhow, you won't be able to, as Zardari's sister and brother (Tapi), or Nawaz's brother are not only mega corrupt thugs but got into power too.

Z A Bhutto made his talented brother (first cousin Mumtaz Bhutto), Chief Minister of Sindh.

As for brother of General Kiyani, it is rare case for army generals (though such cases are common with thugs and crooks in politics), still, their corruption in comparison to Pakistani corrupt political thugs are very small.

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Coward muhajir dictator didnt need JI. Your beloved terrorist mqm gave full support to musharf. Mqm groomed so well under musharraf that they done 12 May successfully.
But if its true that coup would be successful because of JI then it proves you are slave and coward as JI without having majority can enforce an coup on you :smiley:
btw, interesting to see how you are being blinded with hatred.
It seems the point was correct as you couldn’t counter but dragged JI.

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I am being affected directly by politicians. I pay taxes. When i see there are multi colors lights flashing under a metro station bridge but escalator or its lights inside the station are not working i would say to hell with thses politicians.
If they were using my tax money for right purpose say health and education i wont mind paying double amount of tax i am currently paying.

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Btw, a munafiqat is pointed out here. Those who are ok with mqm supported musharf lecture others on supporting coup. Lolz.

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I agree with all this.

But please let me know what the military has ever done to improve the situation (except for nurturing and backing the same corrupt politicians)?

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It is not really a rare case for military generals, brigadiers, colonels etc. A lot of their corruption is 'legitimized'.

Anyways, I accept the politicians are extremely corrupt. What has military, in their decades of rule done to eradicate corruption? (except for issuing NRO)

I would welcome military rule if they sent a few corrupt politicians to jail and recovered looted money. If they haven't, then clearly they are accomplices.

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again, the issue is average people would not care if army intervene.

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Everage people are target of looters of all sort

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As always you bring racism in your posts while nobody goes to that extent. Basically your racist mind is acknowledging here that JI was ready to serve Musharraf but Musharraf just dumped them and made the other choice.
Since MQM originated from JI, everything it does is just a subclass of wut JI has been doing since the birth of Pakistan. They both have same organizational pattern and same activities, good or bad. JI's face is as ugly as anyone else.
Its just MQM outnumbers and outclasses JI in every single way.

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That call miserably failed. Those who involved in coup and killing of 200+ people will be hanged by the balls. Unfortunately this has never happened in Pakistan for dislodging the legally elected governments.

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Several coup happened in Pakistan that failed. 3 of them are well known.

1: Coup against Liaquat Ali Khan that failed. Many got imprisoned, including Faiz Ahmed Faiz.

2: A plot was made to kill Zia-ul-Haq, if successful than coup would have happened. Plot got foiled.

3: Coup against BB government in 1995 under Major Gen Zaheer-ul-Islam, where many young officers were involved. Coup was foiled.

[Coup also happened against Yahya Khan. Most were young officers and Yahya khan was also willing to hand over the power. Hence, it seems, all happened in peace].

Actually, many other minor coups happened in Pakistan that got foiled without making much news.

As for legitimate government ... fact is that, there was/is no legitimate government in Pakistan.

1: Bhutto was not elected Prime Minister. He became Prime Minister by default. Election happened all over Pakistan, and his party got 80 out of 313 seats in National Assembly. Mujeeb had 168 seats and he deserved to be Prime Minister. Bhutto declared that Pakistan consist of two parts, one in east and one in west, and he would sit in parliament on parity, where he should be representing west and Mujeeb representing east. Modalities should be agreed before calling the parliament. Mujeeb objected, and military operation started.

Country got divided. After country got divided, 1970 election became null and void. Anyhow, once Yahya resigned, Bhutto was made President and Chief Martial Law Administrator by armed forces. Obviously, he could not have become Prime Minister, as election became defunct after Pakistan break-up.

Once constitution was made ... remember, even constitution was not legally made, as those who made constitution, they were in minority of 1971 elected assembly (of whole Pakistan). For legitimacy of the constitution, new election was necessary and than only new constitution could have got made.

Anyhow, once constitution was made, still no election was held, and Bhutto illegally became Prime Minister.

After 1977 election, Bhutto again became Prime Minister, but it was accepted by most parties that 1977 election was massively rigged by Bhutto, hence all result of 1977 election is illegal. People came out on road, and Bhutto imposed Martial law on almost all big and small cities of Pakistan. In the end, it is claimed that even Bhutto agreed to make the election null and void, and to call new election. Thus, Bhutto being PM on 1977 election was illegal, so was the tenor of Bhutto.

2: As for BB and NS being Prime Minister, since none of the two fulfil constitutional requirement of article 62 and 63, their contesting election and holding office is illegal.

Hence, one can say that none of the coups that happened against illegal governments of Bhutto, BB or NS, were illegal.

Even today, if coup happens against NS government, that would not be illegal, as it should be considered as state institution removing an illegal government, because NS do not fulfil constitutional article 62 and 63 to contest election, thus he is illegally occupying PM post, and it is duty of state institutions to remove him (if EC is not doing the job than it does not mean, army as state institution, could not remove him by force).

You should see things this way: Suppose a person is employed as medical doctor in hospital, but his employment is based on fake degree, than to remove such person from hospital as medical doctor, even by force, is not illegal, because he is not medical doctor and got his job using fake or wrong credentials.

Same way, a person sitting on PM seat when that person is not even qualified to contest election or if contested than won election through rigging, make his holding political post as illegal. To remove that person from PM seat, even by force, is not illegal, rather just act. If EC does not do the job, than army has all right to do that job of removing him from office.