Muslim women Nobel prize winner attacks western values

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By Peter Popham
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=472151

11 December 2003

Shirin Ebadi, the first Muslim woman to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, used the ceremony in Oslo yesterday to send a tough anti-war message to President George Bush’s government in Washington.

The 56-year-old Iranian lawyer and human rights campaigner, her country’s first female judge before being stripped of the job in 1979 following the Islamic revolution, told the audience that it was worrying when human rights were violated by the Western democracies that had first introduced the principles.

Without citing the United States by name, she singled out the Iraq war and the treatment of “illegal combatants” in the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay for condemnation.

“In the past two years, some states have violated the universal principles and laws of human rights by using the events of September 11 and the war on international terrorism as a pretext,” she said in her acceptance speech.

“Regulations restricting human rights and basic freedoms … have been justified and given legitimacy under the cloak of the war on terrorism.”

She also highlighted the inconsistent way that Western countries treat United Nations Security Council resolutions. “Why are certain decisions and resolutions of the Security Council binding while other resolutions of the council are not?” she said. “Why in the course of the past 35 years have the tens of UN resolutions concerning the occupation of Palestinian territories by the state of Israel not been rapidly applied?”

She pointed out that Iraq was subject to “an attack, a military assault, economic sanctions and finally military occupation”, first with Security Council support and subsequently in spite of the council’s opposition.

Ms Ebadi’s choice for the prize has polarised opinion in Iran, where hardline Islamists have condemned it as a ploy by the US and Israel.

Comment:

It was only a matter of time before this sister realised that since western values are man made they will inevitably have contradictions and would not be consistently applied especially by the leading nation America. It is time for this sister and the intellectual elites from the muslims to re-evaluate Islam from a rational perspective as a system for life and not from a western perspective where western values are considered to be the ideals to be followed.

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I believe she is crioticising policies of some western countries, and not teh values of entire western civilization. I did not sense that she was saying anything about the "value system" in denmark, or "social structure" in spain.

She criticised what she sees as inconsistencies in teh actions of some countries liek US, just like she criticised what she saw as problems with the Iranian regime..to state that "she attacked islamic values" or she attacked middle-eastern values" would be incorrect.

same goes for the title of this post. inflammatory..yes, accurate..no.

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*Originally posted by Madhanee: *
because no other ideology places as much importance to human rights as the Western Democracies.

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That is incorrect because if western so called democracies value human rights why do they trade with saudi arabia which abuses people daily, uzbekistan which recives hundred of millions dollars for torturing people in thanks from the USA.

The issue of human rights is only brought up when it suits the West when it is against there intrests they will stay silent. Israel how many attrocities has it commited or maybe according to the western values palestinians have no rights!

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Mr fraudia

She is showing the fallacy of man made ideas and how they are difficult to implement because they were invented by limited humans. While the ideas of Islam are from the creator who knows humans better than they know themselves.

Madhanee

In Islam we have rights which Allah swt has given us and thats it. In the west they have a wrong idea of what is right and wrong therefore their idea of human rights is flawed because its built on the wrong premise.

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Mr fraudia

She is showing the fallacy of man made ideas and how they are difficult to implement because they were invented by limited humans. While the ideas of Islam are from the creator who knows humans better than they know themselves.
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No showkot..that is not what she is saying., read it again.

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Isnt this ironic... She was being criticized by Showket and the HT crew i.e. when she won the prize 'ab kya ho gya' ;)

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Just a few threads back she was attacked for not wanting to wear hijab as forced by mullah regime of iran. Now she is beloved sister of showkot.

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Imdad, have u heard the phrase...zaroorat meint oh gadhay ko bhi baap bana laitay hain log.

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Salaams to my brothers who responded to my post and i hope you are all in the best of health and iman.

Fraudz

She is pointing out the contradictions in the ideas which the west propagates to the muslims because in all ideas made by man there will be flaws and contradictions, unlike the ideas which we as muslims have been given by our creator.

Spock and Imadad

Please brothers can you mention where i Showkat criticised her when she won the prize. If you cannot then please refrain from false allegations against me, in Islam we call this slander and backbiting, an apology on your part will show your sincerity and also i will forgive you.
She as a muslimah has always been my sister, the fact that she carries western ideas means that she is misguided according to Islam.

Finally Mr fraudia

As a muslim whose mother toungue is bangla, i dont understand your urdu comment, if you would be kind enough to translate into english i would be more than happy to respond to you, as i have always done according to Islamic etiquette.

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Fraudz

She is pointing out the contradictions in the ideas which the west propagates to the muslims because in all ideas made by man there will be flaws and contradictions, unlike the ideas which we as muslims have been given by our creator.
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Please define your perception of "ideas which the west propagates to the muslims". I read the article, the title of the thread is entirely misleading to whats in the article. French also opposed the war, but they also propagate "western values", how would that fit into your conclusion?

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Originally posted by showkot: *
**Salaams to my brothers who responded to my post and i hope you are all in the best of health and iman.*

walaikum assalam. and same to you

**Fraudz

She is pointing out the contradictions in the ideas which the west propagates to the muslims because in all ideas made by man there will be flaws and contradictions, unlike the ideas which we as muslims have been given by our creator. **

The ideas about human rights are not western ideas, these are ideas of all humanity and have been mentioned in all religionsincluding our own faith, much of it as haqoq al ibaad, i.e. teh rights of the people. She is addressing the inequity in implementing some of the ideals, not the ideals themselves.

**Finally Mr fraudia

As a muslim whose mother toungue is bangla, i dont understand your urdu comment, if you would be kind enough to translate into english i would be more than happy to respond to you, as i have always done according to Islamic etiquette. **

That was a comment for Imdad Ali, I think he may have understood it.

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showkot, darling, why are you using a western language to convey your message to us, and man made computer and internet....use divine send pigeons and make sure you write in arabic, not bengali either.

and bangladesh is democratic secular country, very haram....why dont you correct that first?

Next time you think of pissing on human made laws...
remember we can scrap the man made farraka dam treaty, and see you all drown in bramahputra.

you sound like a six year old who just heard cindrella story....

make sure, you respect man made laws in man made world.

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Changez_like

Ideas which the west propogates to the muslims include secularism, democracy, human rights capitalism etc.

The french opposed the war because they did not want America to have total influence in Iraq, its a case of opposing American hegomony in the region which will challenge french influence in the area. Remember how the french ruled Algeria and many millions died to liberate Algeria from the french. All disbelieving nations are one and the same in terms of their ambitions in muslim lands and how they view Political Islam

Fraudz

Human rights as the west understand it is defined by human beings, in Islam the rights that muslim men and women have are defined by ALlah swt so there is a difference in the basis upon which these ideas are built, for us its Allah and for them its their mind.

soul

There is nothing wrong with using english to convey the Islamic message, if you go into an Islamic bookshop you will notice many copies of the Quran in different languages as well Islamic books. This is something which is allowed.

Technology and its uses are allowed in Islam and muslims were the pioneers of science and technology under the khilafah system.

I agree with you indeed Bangladesh is a secular and democratic country which is haram, but is it the only muslim country based upon such principles? I dont consider myself to be a bengali, i am a muslim first second and last, my allegiance is to islam, i do not recognise false borders which divide muslims from each other.

Well if you want to scrap the treaty and drown muslims then its entirely up to you. Actions speak louder than words, maybe the worldwide muslim ummah may have something to say about this.

Well if your convinced of man made ideas why not engage in discussion and try and convince the muslims. Abuse serves no purpose but to expose the abuser.