Re: Muslim Women Gang Raped, Paraded Naked in Indian Village
These incidents are same as incidents of honour killing by muslims. They must be condemned stongly irrespective of who commits it.
would you have made the same hue and cry if any hindu women have been raped by a guy (May be hindu or muslim). I bet no bcoz all what matters to you in a person is his religion and you are making others feel like same..including me and i swear i dont want to feel like that.
Re: Muslim Women Gang Raped, Paraded Naked in Indian Village
These incidents are same as incidents of honour killing by muslims.
First of all, Muslims aren't by any means the only people who commit honor killings. One of the biggest cases reported in the Western media was a Canadian Sikh girl whose family had her killed after she eloped with a rickshaw driver in India.
And this is not "the same."
As deplorable and disgusting as honor killings are, they only target the specific people involved in the "dishonorable" act. This a mob taking collective revenge against an entire community...there's a big difference.
would you have made the same hue and cry if any hindu women have been raped by a guy (May be hindu or muslim).
Yes, I would have.
I bet no bcoz all what matters to you in a person is his religion and you are making others feel like same..including me and i swear i dont want to feel like that. you are creating more animosity so STFU.
So incidents like these should be ignored to spare your feelings.
It's ironic...you say I would ignore a case where the victims were Hindu, and yet that's exactly what you want to do in this case, where the victims are Muslim.
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Re: Muslim Women Gang Raped, Paraded Naked in Indian Village
[mod] Please stay on topic. Pakistani matters can be discussed in PA, a forum dedicated to discussing pakistani current and historical affairs[/mod]
Ravage -
My raising the question of rapes by Pakistani Army in BanglaDesh is to contrast the logic Jenab is attempting here. I think you are tying my hand if you won't let me raise it in that context. My interest is not to discuss that Pakistan role but rather the impact on Bengalis
Thank you
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Stircrasy, it is clearly an attempt to start a tit-for-tat discussion. There is already a discussion on 1971 going on in the thread YOU started in PA, not to mention the earlier thread I split when you again took a discussion to Pakistan beginning from India.
This is a pattern, where you deflect the discussion from India towards Pakistan. They are seperate countries, and seperate events, and there is no need to combine the two discussions. You are already engaging in a discussion with Janab in the 1971 thread, perhaps you can pursue questions related to that over there.
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Jenab,
Assuming Ravage will not get mad at me let ask the question.
Secondly, as a physician, do you stand there and claim that dozens of women can be raped by a gang of angry uncontrolled animals without a single genital injury?
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Ravage - I am not trying to to start a tit-for-tat at all. I am asking Jenab how she can be held credible in this argument without an equal reaction to the other.
that said, I will stop now
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ask her for an equal reaction in the thread relating to that topic then. thats all im asking you to do.
Re: Muslim Women Gang Raped, Paraded Naked in Indian Village
Secondly, as a physician, do you stand there and claim that dozens of women can be raped by a gang of angry uncontrolled animals without a single genital injury?
Like I said, most victims don't show genital injuries. From what I've read, all of these women had significant bodily injuries, so its hardly as if they escaped without a scratch.
You also have to take into account that only 17 women came forward and admitted that they had been raped, and not even all of them agreed to allow a medical examination. I'm sure you know as well as I do the stigma attached to being a rape victim in South Asia. I suspect there are more women in the village who will never come forward out of shame.
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Hey janab-e-ali i agree it is a muslim woman so nothing to really get high on. Let me tell you it happens not only to muslim woman, but others also too.
So nothing to really bother about, just get over this idea only muslim women are going through this but happens equally amongst other religions.
You better watch some indian news channels, they are flodded with similar incidents.
India is a huge country bro and it happens mostly in the villages
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Hey janab-e-ali i agree it is a muslim woman so nothing to really get high on. Let me tell you it happens not only to muslim woman, but others also too.
No one is "getting high" on this...whatever that's supposed to mean.
And for the last time, no one said only Muslim women get raped. All I said was that these women were targeted specifically because of their religion.
So nothing to really bother about
That's disgusting.
You better watch some indian news channels, they are flodded with similar incidents. India is a huge country bro and it happens mostly in the villages
And that makes it all OK, and "nothing to bother about"?
PS...I'm not your "bro."
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Any crime against anybody is bad. Nobody ever managed to controll crime. And crimes happen all the time. What is important though is justice should be done. Be it Gujarat chiefminister or people of Godhra, or in this case those villagers.
In India justice takes time, but justice will come. There is no law discriminating any religion or group and if the history of Indian judiciary is to go by then I believe finally justice will prevail. I believe Muslims who were wronged knows this as well as all those people who fight against injustice.
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a minister in Mayawati government punished every Muslim of this village for the elopement of a Hindu girl with a Muslim boy.
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Ok that makes it clear. I didn't eve see the word "muslim" in the previous article.
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Tragic and disgusting. Some people have nerves to defend such acts.
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Hey janab-e-ali i agree it is a muslim woman so nothing to really get high on. Let me tell you it happens not only to muslim woman, but others also too.
So nothing to really bother about,
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WTH?
Re: Muslim Women Gang Raped, Paraded Naked in Indian Village
Like I said, most victims don't show genital injuries. From what I've read, all of these women had significant bodily injuries, so its hardly as if they escaped without a scratch.
You also have to take into account that only 17 women came forward and admitted that they had been raped, and not even all of them agreed to allow a medical examination. I'm sure you know as well as I do the stigma attached to being a rape victim in South Asia. I suspect there are more women in the village who will never come forward out of shame.
Yes it is a shame and the stigma is worse.
But I still find it impossible that not ONE genital injury was found in the 17 women examined, given the frenzied animals as portrayed
But whether there was actual rape or not, the brutality and the humiliation as bad and so no defence of that. I hope some people hang for this
Re: Muslim Women Gang Raped, Paraded Naked in Indian Village
First of all, Muslims aren't by any means the only people who commit honor killings. One of the biggest cases reported in the Western media was a Canadian Sikh girl whose family had her killed after she eloped with a rickshaw driver in India.
And this is not "the same."
As deplorable and disgusting as honor killings are, they only target the specific people involved in the "dishonorable" act. This a mob taking collective revenge against an entire community...there's a big difference.
Yes, I would have.
So incidents like these should be ignored to spare your feelings.
It's ironic...you say I would ignore a case where the victims were Hindu, and yet that's exactly what you want to do in this case, where the victims are Muslim.
There was finally a couple years ago a man in Toronto Canada arrested 15 years after he threw his daughter over a balcony, a se of honor killing.
Recently a man kills daughter in Mississauga Canada for deciding not to wear hijab,
man in barrie tries to honor kill his daughter by stabbing her for liking a non muslim boy
Mobs of muslim families in europe under investigation now for taking their daughters out of school as young as 12 and forcing them into marriage. English muslims and authorities who are investigating disappearance of muslim girls will be coming to Toronto to educate authorities about this and setting up investigating forced marriages by muslims of their daughters in canada. In england they have a toll free line which helps girls to seek refugee and guidance and protection from their families when they do not want to be forced into marriage.This line will be coming to canada. When its up and available i will post it boldly in all capital letters. Women in england including young ladies have been honor killed either on british soil or back in their respective muslim countries of birth heritage for refusing to marry or seeking divorce.
Rape , pillage and plunder of daughters into forced marriages is no different then strange men raping you. And its men who are sick , twisted psychos who use the teachings of religion to subjugate and own daughters like property because of their own manless honor and it pathetic that their family honor is solely based on a little piece of skin called hymen. No wonder people want to live in the west and some of those pathetic creatures have the gall to complain when they get permission !!!!!!!! Ungrateful immigrants like these kind should be pronto removed including their hateful and closed minds otherwise they should readily adapt to the laws of their adopted land and customs.
** How pathetic is this when religion is used to approve such despicable behaviour by men.**
**I still question who many raped muslim women could not return to their family for comfort knowing they had been raped and their sick twisted male members of the family would kill them to restore the family honor influenced by twisted religious dogma . **
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please stay on topic uberalles. i would remove your post but theres a half an essay about ten different things there. it doesnt help keep the topic focused.
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But I still find it impossible that not ONE genital injury was found in the 17 women examined, given the frenzied animals as portrayed
Like I said, not all 17 were examined...some didn't consent.
While I agree it would be a more convincing case if there was at least some evidence of gential injury found, I think its incredibly unlikely that not 1 or 2, but 17 women, from an very honor-conscious South Asian village, would be willining to basically destroy not only their own reputations in the eyes of their society, but those of their entire families (as a result of the stigma attached to rape)...all to make to make a political point, and make themselves seem even more victimized than they already were.
Re: Muslim Women Gang Raped, Paraded Naked in Indian Village
In case anyone is curious, here’s the last anyone’s heard about the case…there hasn’t really been much written about it in recent months.
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Lucknow: 36 people have been named as accused in Dhanni Deeh village rape case FIR. This was revealed by UP Police to the High Court here when Court wanted to know the action taken by the police in this case. The UP Police informed the court that they have filed an FIR accusing 36 people for rape and related charges. Brother of BSP minister Daddu Mishra is also named in the FIR.
In July of this year, a mob of upper caste Hindus from neighbouring village attacked Muslims of Dhanni Deeh village, destroying their property, beating everyone and 17 women alleged that their were sexually assaulted.
Police initially refused to register their complaints and after pressure from local politicians they had the women examined after few days when it was difficult to prove rape allegation. Investigation from legal non-profit organizations and the Milli Gazette newspaper revealed injuries and bruises on all women.
A team from the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) also visited the area but its report has not been made public. Teesta Setalvad and Prof. Roop Rekha Verma recently demanded releases of NHRC report.
The FIR filed few days after the incident did not name anybody and did not mention rape charges.
A PIL was filed in UP High Court by All Indian Muslim Council and in its hearing today, the Court was informed by the UP govt. that an FIR have been registered accusing 36 people by name of various charges including rape. Accused have been charged under IPC 147, 395, 376, 354, 364, 120b of Indian Penal Code.
FIR have been registered in Sirsiya police station by the Shravasti police naming 36 for raping women, girls and widows of Dhanni Deeh village. 5 children and some women who were raped are still reported to be missing. This FIR has given a new turn and a hope to the victims.
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Lucknow: Social activist Teesta Setalvad and former Vice-Chancellor of Lucknow University Prof. Roop Rekha Verma yesterday visited the village of Dhanni Deeh where 17 Muslim were sexually attacked in July of this year.
The publicity of this gruesome attack by upper caste Hindus of neighbouring village has not helped in getting justice to these extremely poor Muslims. Rather, it has made their lives even more difficult. The only road connecting this remote village to the outside world is now manned by upper caste Hindus and Muslims are restricted from leaving the village. Even doctors are not allowed to tend to any sick in that village. This was revealed by Ms. Setalvad and Prof. Verma after their visit to the village.
Local administration has not taken any steps to provide protection to Muslims of the village. Muslims of Dhanni Deeh are living a fearful life afraid of their life, honor, and property. Ms. Setalvad and Prof. Verma are planning to visit Director General of Police to enquire why no protection has been provided so far.
They will also ask National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) to make public its report. NHRC visited this area towards the end of July but report is yet to be released.