Let us for a moment believe that life is difficult for the minorities in India. We would have seen many refugees and what not clamouring for a better life elsewhere. BD would be the best example.
There is nothing of that sort happening. People are living and getting along with their lives. There are occassional problems but none of the magnitude as that is being portrayed here. I am a Christian and have not felt any discrimination here.
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brother you have finsiehd your minorities .. they started with 10% in 1947 abnd today are less than 1%.. OTOH in India minsority started with 7% in 1947 and are today 20%.. sharm karo sharm
Just yesterday whole chrstian neighbourhood of Ghajra was brunet killing scores over the usual rumours of quran desecration.......
gte a close hard look
brother you have finsiehd your minorities .. they started with 10% in 1947 abnd today are less than 1%.. OTOH in India minsority started with 7% in 1947 and are today 20%.. sharm karo sharm
Just yesterday whole chrstian neighbourhood of Ghajra was brunet killing scores over the usual rumours of quran desecration.......
gte a close hard look
LOL.. where is your proof of these figures?
Im really tired of you Indians spouting this Hindu propagandist bs.
Put up or shut up. Give us the evidence.
The only person who needs Sharam is you, and your troll firends. Your treatment of the minority of your country is disgusting. And your behavior in Kashmir warrants the establishment of a modern day nuremberg trial.. Sharam kur...
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I have never seen my Muslim friends(Infact my very close friend is Muslim) complaining about any sort of injustice in India.Infact they are happy and relieved being in India rather than being across the borders especially the western side.
Christians I do not want to mention them.They never categorize themselves different from Hindus or India.They have been amalgamated in to the national stream in such a way that it is difficult to differentiate them from others.
brother you have finsiehd your minorities .. they started with 10% in 1947 abnd today are less than 1%.. OTOH in India minsority started with 7% in 1947 and are today 20%.. sharm karo sharm
Just yesterday whole chrstian neighbourhood of Ghajra was brunet killing scores over the usual rumours of quran desecration.......
gte a close hard look
lol. you make a good point but because you are indian everything you type has zero value.
sorry dude.
brother you have finsiehd your minorities .. they started with 10% in 1947 abnd today are less than 1%.. OTOH in India minsority started with 7% in 1947 and are today 20%.. sharm karo sharm....
It might be due to differential reproductive abilities.
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Bhai mere if J N Mandal's first law minsiter iof pakistan assessment is to be belived India with all its imperfectiosn is million times better in treatment of minorities..
We have made sure not only minority remain preserved but have doubled their number unlike pakistan where all minority disappeared in short span of few decades..
btw bangaldesh is no different
That is one of the reason and no poor people produce more kids and given all dalits were left behind in pakistan even that alibi is not credible..
read this letter of J N madal to get the picture of what happens to minority in pakistan..
J.N. Mandal’s resignation letter
Nothing has changed since then..
It might be due to differential reproductive abilities.
Its mainly because family planning measures do not work with some minority groups. And the minority appeasing political parties don't allow those measures to be strictly implemented.
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^ It was supposed to be a joke about minorities in Pakistan decreasing as a percentage of total population and increasing in India.
It would be interesting to know how family planning measures are 'strictly implemented' in majority population in India but that won't be relevant to this discussion.
Apologies for diverging the discussion. Carry on.
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^ For one the majority population does not have any religious reasons for not accepting family planning 
Not since Shahbano, has the Muslim Personal Law as applied in India come in for so much review and revile. It all began with the Great Body Count or the once-a-decade census report that erroneously showed a marginal increase in the Muslim population. (As the state of Jammu & Kashmir failed to make the grade initially) Soon all hell was let loose as rightists Hindutva parties decided to exploit the issue of exploding Muslim population to the hilt. This when Muslims form just 13 per cent of the total population. While India’s population has skyrocketed to one billion, the Muslim population is pegged at 200 million.
A group of progressive and liberal section of the Muslim leadership used the opportunity for introspection, but got shouted down by the hardliners. In the din, the Muslims of India once again got branded as bigots and polygamists who begot dozens of children.
A month later, the birth control issue among Indian Muslims is still generating much heat. The issue has also highlighted the great divide between two major sects of Islam – the Sunnis and the Shias. In India, the opinion is sharply polarized between the two sects. While it was a Shia from the All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB), a quasi-official organisation who fired the first missive, it was a Sunni from AIMPLB who played spoilsport.
Maulana Sayed Kalbe Sadiq, a noted Islamic scholar and a prominent Shiite cleric in his capacity as the vice president of the All-India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) had announced that the AIMPLB and Sunni and Shia scholars should sit together and hammer out a solution which can spread awareness on the issue of family planning among Indian Muslims Buttressing his point, Sadiq cited the case of Iran as a model country practicing birth control even while strictly following the Shariat law. Consequently, Iran’s population growth level was zero percent, Sadiq said. Hence Kalbe Sadiq felt that the issue of birth control among Indian Muslims should be taken up for discussion at the AIMPLB’s meeting in Kerala to be held in December 2004.
But SQR Ilyas, a Sunni jurist and another member of the AIMPLB, immediately shot down the suggestion claiming that these were Sadiq’s personal views and as such no such discussion on birth control was on the agenda for the December meeting. To make matters worse, Maulana Rabey Hasan Nadwi, a cleric from the Nadwa school of the orthodox Ahle Hadis, chipped in, “There is no place for family planning in Islam.”
The Sunni Ulema are firm that Maulana Kalbe Sadiq made a monumental error, while the Shia scholars insist that there is no harm in family planning and Islam has not opposed it. “Kalbe Sadiq cited Iran’s example on family planning probably because he is a Shia but other Islamic nations like Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey and Egypt do not practice family planning,” insists Maulana Abdul Quddus Kashmiri. Kashmiri is among the topmost sunni cleric from Mumbai.
“Family planning can be practiced only for medical reasons like having reasonable gap between two births and allowing mother to recuperate completely from one birth but not for other reasons like for fear of poverty or growing population. Quran prohibits such fear and birth control. None of our jurists including Hanafi, Shafei, Hambali, Maleki approve of motivated family planning,” Kashmiri adds.
Sunnis which form the majority of Islamic sects believe in the jurisprudence of Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Mohammad Shafei, Imam Malik Ibn Anas and Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal. This quartet of jurists had interpreted the Hadith-Nabavi or the traditions of Holy Prophet (saw) for the lay Muslims. The Sunnis believe that there cannot be any Mujtahid (a scholar capable of deriving Islamic laws from Holy Quran and Hadith) after these four. Those Sunni groups who follow any of the fiqhs (Islamic jurisprudence) are known by that name like followers of Imam Abu Hanifa are known as Hanafi, Shafei, Maleki and Hanbali.
Maulana Mohammad Athar, a Sunni scholar and chief of Muslim scholars at Zakaria Masjid says that “There is a Ijmaae-Ummat (consensus of the nation) that family planning is not allowed in Islam. Islam has neither encouraged it nor discouraged it. A Muslim is allowed to practice certain precautions but measures like sterilization, vasectomy or abortion are haram.” Athar feels that only gynaecological problems or life threatening issues can provoke birth control otherwise Islam does not approve of family planning in any manner.
However, the Shi’te scholars do not concur. ”Islam allows and believes in a limited family and fewer children. **About birth control or family planning, any such arrangement which permanently stops child birth might not be permitted but, none of the fiqhs object to having temporary measures,’ says Maulana Sayed Hasnain Rizvi Kararvi, a leading shia jurist and scholar. **
Shias emulate Imam Jaafar Sadiq who was the great grandson of Prophet Mohammad. Imam Jaafar was regarded as a reviver of Islam as expounded by the Holy Prophet. Shias believe that the doors of Ijtehaad (the Islamic science of jurisprudence) are open to interpretation. For the Shias, Ayatullah Ali Hussain Seesstani based in Najaf in Iraq is the current spiritual leader whose guidelines on religion is generally considered foolproof.
There are misconceptions on birth control in Islam as the Quran does not talk explicitly about contraception and family planning leaving room for scholars to speculate and interpret while others fall back on the Hadith, or the oral traditions of the prophet to shed light on the topic.
Universally, two contradictory views are presented by theologians. The conservative group is led by Ibn Hazm and Maudoodi, and the liberal view has the support of a large number of scholars and is led by Ghazzaali. The former group quotes the Quranic verse: “Kill not your children, on a plea of want. We provide sustenance for you and for them.” While the progressives also fall back on the Quran to plead their case. “And one (God’s) sign is, that he has created for you your Mates from yourself, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and has ordained between you love and mercy.”
Ghazzaali discussed contraception from premises rooted more in profane biology and economics than in strictly religious sources. Prohibition in Islam was possible only by adducing an original text. Ghazzaali argued that while abortion and infanticide were crimes against an existing being, contraception was different. Contraception is of a cautionary nature and does not involve an evolved biological being.
Ghazzaali of course sets a rider. Use of contraception for fear of having daughters is not allowed in Islam. Similarly, its use by women for personal reasons - such as their dislike of pregnancy or their fetish for absolute cleanliness or simply because they abhor the pain of child birth cannot be held as a reason for opting for birth control.
**Thus the intent and not the concept of birth control is found objectionable in Islam. **Ghazzaali supports use of contraceptives with one’s wife to protect her from dangers of child-birth, or simply to preserve her beauty. Ghazzali also supports birth control for those living below the poverty line or those who wish to have a small family.
Ironically, several studies in India have found that economic compulsions drives population growth rather than religion. Muslims in India fare as well as or as worse as any other community following different faiths as far as birth control is concerned. In India family planning is linked more to literacy and income levels. All studies in India by demographers show that poor people irrespective of their faith tend to have more children than the middle class
Among Muslims too, studies in Muslim dominated towns and cities (with a large Muslim populace) clearly show that the educated middle class practice family planning while the poor illiterate Muslims desist.
Though the Shariat allows a Muslim to have four wives, there is no social acceptance. Women in second marriages are considered pariahs and not accepted in the family fold. A Government of India survey in 1974 revealed that Muslims fall at the bottom of the table as far as bigamy is concerned. Tribals are right on top at 14% while the Muslims are at the bottom of the table with 5.6%. Even the uppercaste Hindus beat the Muslims scoring 5.84%. If there is relatively less family planning among Muslims it is because of poverty and lack of awareness than religion. Those Mullahs who come from the poorer strata (and most of the mullahs come from this strata) do invoke religion for opposing family planning but it does not mean all Muslims necessarily listen to them. Several Muslim families across the board opt for permanent birth control measures. In Kerala, there is more family planning among Muslims than Hindus in U.P. as literacy is high among Kerala Muslims Thus sterilization among Kerala Muslims is 42.7% whereas among Hindus in U.P it is only 18.2 per cent.
A section of Indian Muslims (mostly the uneducated, illiterate and financially and economically backward strata) consider family planning as un-Islamic though it is practiced in many Muslim countries. Another valid reason for practicing contraception in Islam is the well-being of children. The presence of a nursing infant was a major reason for birth control. A new pregnancy set an upper limit on lactation length, resulting in palpable harm to the child being nursed. Even the Quran impliedly supports age difference between children: “And mothers shall suckle their children two full years to complete breast feeding.”
Few years ago, the Operations Research Group (ORG) conducted a survey about variations in acceptance of family planning in India. It was found that as against 45.5 per cent Hindus, only 33.8 per cent Muslims practice family planning. However, the fact not to be ignored is, as against this national average, 64.4 per cent Muslims in Kerala practice family planning as compared to 17.3 per cent in Rajasthan, 18.1 per cent in Uttar Pradesh, and a mere 14.6 per cent in Bihar.
You are taking the joke too far but your own quoted article reveals that if Muslims in India do not practice birth control, it is not because of religion but because they are financially backward and illiterate, which is the topic of the discussion.
Bhai mere if J N Mandal's first law minsiter iof pakistan assessment is to be belived India with all its imperfectiosn is million times better in treatment of minorities..
We have made sure not only minority remain preserved but have doubled their number unlike pakistan where all minority disappeared in short span of few decades..
btw bangaldesh is no different
lol... Thats according to yo. I challanege you to provide one shred of evidence to prove the figures you present. IIndians bark endlessly about this same line, infact other Indians have said the same before you. Yet not one has ever presented any evidence beyond the rehashed Hindu right wing bs they are taught.
Tel me, what was the precentage of Paksitans minorites at partition. How many left and why? What was the difference in number between the minorities in east ansd west PAKISTAN. What were the differences in birth rates between Muslims and Minorities in PAK? What effect did the brak up of east and west Pak have on minority numbers?
If you cant answer these questions, then you are full of it. Put up or shut up.
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Coming back to the original topic…
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Case falls flat; Hashmi, housing society patch up
Mumbai: In a U-turn actor **Emraan Hashmi](http://connect.in.com/profile/Emraan_Hashmi/214), who had alleged that he was denied a flat by a housing society because he was Muslim, said on Monday that there was no discrimination against him. **
He also added that the controversy arose because of a miscommunication.
“The dispute between me and the members of Nibbana housing society has been resolved. The society had not discriminated against me. There had been a miscommunication,” Hashmi told reporters after a hearing on his complaint at the State Minorities Commission.
Hashmi’s lawyer Majeed Memon said that a broker Jagjit Arora had told the 34-year-old actor that the society had refused to sell the flat as Hashmi was a Muslim.
“The secretary of the society – JP Chatri – today (Monday) told Emraan that they had not discriminated against the actor and that if anyone in the building wants to sell their flat then Emraan can buy it,” Memon said.
Chatri told the Commission that they would not refuse a house to the actor on religious grounds as there are several other Muslims residing in the building.
The owner of the flat DU Suvarna, who was also present during the hearing, said he would be more than happy to sell the flat to the actor who is like a “son” to him.
“I have not decided on what I will do with my flat. But if I decide to sell the flat then my first choice would be Hashmi,” Suvarna told the Commission.
On July 31, Hashmi had approached the Minorities Commission accusing the housing society in Pali Hill of religious discrimination by not providing the No Objection Certificate (NOC) to him to purchase a flat in the society.
The society houses film and television actors including well known villain Prem Chopra.
“The issue has been blown out of proportion by the media. It was a miscommunication and has been resolved after all the parties sat across the table today,” chairman of the Minorities Commission Naseem Siddiqui said.
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Sorry Pakistanis…get something more credible next time:p
You might want to focus on why the Pakistani Christians were burnt alive instead of worrying about India’s treatment of its minorities…
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He is a nutjob already has taken u-turn and says it was miscommunication..
Fact is several muslims live in same building..
His mother lives in same pali hills area.. These prima dona of bollywood just find it conveneitn to cry wofl whenever they don;t get their way ..
Another nutjob Azharuddin cricketr started spreading nonsense that he was being victimized because he is muslim.. noone bought that nonsense of his.. BTW these days he gives lecture in parliament over morals is sports.. :-)
what is this world coming to..
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Change the tile again Muslim starts takes a u-turn and is sorry for spreading canard.....
Shaban Azmi too cried wolf only to be told that lady you have got 6 apartments in posh colony of south mumbai so stop spreading the nonsense..
IN fact TOI did a sting operation to verufy the claim and they found no bias exists only bias is money if you have got money you can buy aptts anywhere
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Punjabee I beg to differ.. take example of Kerala a state with 100% literacy even there muslim birth rate is higher than non-muslim birth rate.
Take example of Gujarat a state where muslims are ahead of hindus on socio-econmic ladder ( findings of minority commisison what an irony vile-BJP has a state where muslims are doign better than hindus economically and communist ruled bengal has muslim in the worst state apropos literacy econmics etc) yet muslim birth rate there is higher than non-muslim birth rate..
No doubt muslim birth rate in kerala is lower than non-muslim birth rate for instance in UP but that's comparing apples to oranges
I am inclined to draw a conclusion that other factors remaing the same that is culture literacy economics muslims invariably have higher birth rate in comparison to non-muslims..
Punjabee I beg to differ.. take example of Kerala a state with 100% literacy even there muslim birth rate is higher than non-muslim birth rate.
Take example of Gujarat a state where muslims are ahead of hindus on socio-econmic ladder ( findings of minority commisison what an irony vile-BJP has a state where muslims are doign better than hindus economically and communist ruled bengal has muslim in the worst state apropos literacy econmics etc) yet muslim birth rate there is higher than non-muslim birth rate..
No doubt muslim birth rate in kerala is lower than non-muslim birth rate for instance in UP but that's comparing apples to oranges
I am inclined to draw a conclusion that other factors remaing the same that is culture literacy economics muslims invariably have higher birth rate in comparison to non-muslims..
Maybe one day Muslims will become the majority and rule over India once again just like the did in the Golden age of India history:)
Then if your lucky, they might allow YOU to live in a POSH Muslim neghborhood:) Good luck!