Muslim- Sikh Rivalry

[muqawwee123]

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Yes its the inheritance of loss in Arundhat Roy’s words.

At the end, people from both the sides still love each other. :indiaflag:

Ustad Daaman truely siad:

laali akhaN di pai dasdi ay,
roye tusi vi O te roye asiN vi aan

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

May be it struck the legend, after all he was cruel, even in the Indian Punjab we have a big cantonment city called Pathankot,my birth place as well:), even though it is not having a single Pathan, before partition it was Punjabi pashtoon dominated city. even Rawalpindi means Pind of Rawal, Rawal is name of bhagwan Shiv, Pur is gererally hindu city name like abad is muslim and we have purs on pakistani sides and abads in Indian side. However tragic, it is part of our heritage. :indiaflag:

There is a city in Pakistani Kashmir Rawla Kot too. I used to think that the name of Rawal Pindi, Rawal Dam and Rawla Kot are related to folk tale Rawal Jugni. Jugni the famous folk song of Punjab.

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

Yes its the inheritance of loss in Arundhat Roy’s words.

At the end, people from both the sides still love each other. :indiaflag:

Ustad Daaman truely siad:

laali akhaN di pai dasdi ay,
roye tusi vi O te roye asiN vi aan

We cannot write our history without mentioning each other’s location and hence we will not be able to make out future without each other. Recently one of my relative has traveled from Lahore to Karachi, was convering industry and commerce minister Anand Sharma’s visit, he showed me photos of Anarkali Bazar, Lahore but Port Grand and Beach Avenue, karachi are magnificent. Hope I will see these things myself as well.

@muqawwee123

There is a city in Pakistani Kashmir Rawla Kot too. I used to think that the name of Rawal Pindi, Rawal Dam and Rawla Kot are related to folk tale Rawal Jugni. Jugni the famous folk song of Punjab.

Kashmir is named after Kashyap Maharishi, and Hindu majority agra was developed by sikander lodhi, Entire Punjab region is named after one or the other hindu god godess, Lahore is named after son of Bhagwan Ram, Luv, while Dilli reached its cultural apex at the time of Mughals.

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

We cannot write our history without mentioning each other's location and hence we will not be able to make out future without each other. Recently one of my relative has traveled from Lahore to Karachi, was convering industry and commerce minister Anand Sharma's visit, he showed me photos of Anarkali Bazar, Lahore but Port Grand and Beach Avenue, karachi are magnificent. Hope I will see these things myself as well.

Kashmir is named after Kashyap Maharishi, and Hindu majority agra was developed by sikander lodhi, Entire Punjab region is named after one or the other hindu god godess, Lahore is named after son of Bhagwan Ram, Luv, while Dilli reached its cultural apex at the time of Mughals.

Yes we were able to make magnificent and big buildings / structures, but failed to make our hearts accommodating for each other.

I personally like Lahore (have been there for 2-3 times) due to many historical places and overall atmosphere of the city.

[muqawwee123]

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Just read this in Khushwant Singh's book ‘Ranjit Singh’, Maharaja of the Punjab':

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A calligraphist who had spent many years making a copy of the holy Koran and had failed to get any of the Muslim princes of Hindustan to give him an adequate price for his labours turned up at Lahore to try and sell it to the Foreign Minister, Fakeer Azizuddin. The Fakeer praised the work but expressed his inability to pay for it. The argument was overheard by Ranjit Singh who summoned the calligraphist to his presence. The Maharaja respectfully pressed the holy book against his forehead and then scrutinized the writing with his single eye. He was impressed with the excellence of the work and bought the Koran for his private collection. Some time later Fakeer Azizuddin asked him why he had paid such a price for a book for which he as a Sikh, would have no use. Ranjit Singh replied: ‘God intended me to look upon all religions with one eye; that is why he took away the light from the other.’
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I was thinking if he was that concerned with others religions and treat all the religions equally, why at the time of his capture of Lahore, the Badshahi Mosque was severely damaged and its vast courtyard was used as a stable for his army's horses and its 80 hujras (small study rooms surrounding the courtyard) as quarters for his soldiers and as magazines for military stores. Ranjit Singh used the Hazuri Bagh, the enclosed garden next to the Mosque as his official royal court of audience. Besides this it is said that they taken precious stones from all the historical places like Shalamar gardens, tomb of Jehangir, etc too.

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

Yes we were able to make magnificent and big buildings / structures, but failed to make our hearts accommodating for each other.

I personally like Lahore (have been there for 2-3 times) due to many historical places and overall atmosphere of the city.

That was ideological requirement of the nations, How to justify the ideology of Pakistan without having anti-India ideology, for India, it was a good thing to blame for all fallacies of Indian part on Pakistan, Hindu nationalist were first to propagate two nations theory even though Deoband opposed it. Partition violence and subsequent loss is still in the living memory, it will take some more time before its eventual death.

Just read this in Khushwant Singh's book ‘Ranjit Singh’, Maharaja of the Punjab':

I was thinking if he was that concerned with others religions and treat all the religions equally, why at the time of his capture of Lahore, the Badshahi Mosque was severely damaged and its vast courtyard was used as a stable for his army's horses and its 80 hujras (small study rooms surrounding the courtyard) as quarters for his soldiers and as magazines for military stores. Ranjit Singh used the Hazuri Bagh, the enclosed garden next to the Mosque as his official royal court of audience. Besides this it is said that they taken precious stones from all the historical places like Shalamar gardens, tomb of Jehangir, etc too.

I doubt maharaja's secular credential as well, A country like India with secular constitution struggles to maintain secularism, how would a kingdom can do so? Akbar had Sulh-i-kul as state policy, Maharaja never had such thing, majority of population were Muslims,though Maharaja had many Muslim soldier as well as Muslim generals whose sensibilities were generally taken care of. Masjid was strategically located against the Lahore fort as well, sometimes during war it was even destroyed by shell fire from the fort.

[muqawwee123]

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As far as I'm going through Khushwant Singh's book on Ranjeet Singh, it gives an indication that Sikhism soon converted to Punjabi nationalism, as a retaliation to oppressive policies of Mughals followed by Afghan attacks (Nadir Shah & Abdali). Sikhs gained popularity and trust of other people of Punjab as they protected them against the Afghan raids and by freeing many people from Afghan troops on their way back to Afghanistan. This made people from all religions including Muslims to join Sikh army. But eventually, the people of Punjab also suffered from Ranjeet Singh's army which was supposed to follow an ideology/creed developed for protecting the very same people.