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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Correct me If I am wrong. I thought People cannot convert into
Jewish religion. They have to be Born Jewish.
I think this topic is not a religious issue.
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Rehman & BB -- SOME (not all) Orthodox sects of Judaism do not accept converts. All others I know of openly accept converts.
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*Originally posted by Sahar02: *
Rehman & BB -- SOME (not all) Orthodox sects of Judaism do not accept converts. All others I know of openly accept converts.
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Jazakallah for the information.....
the issue isn't about whether or not jews accept converts (though from what i've read, they are very strict about who they accept as a jew because they're always paranoid about people "converting" as spies...look at the indian jews -- they wanted to go to israel but the jews aren't letting them because they don't believe they're jewish), the issue is about whether the girl should convert and/or marry the jewish guy.
1) in terms of converting, well if she wants to sacrifice her deen for the sake of "love" (which is really infatuation because you can't "love" anyone without really knowing them...and the only way to truly know someone is to live with them for at least three days and nights...that's from a hadith) then by all means, she can give up the true path.
2) if she gives up Allah SWT and Prophet Muhammed PBUH, then she can do whatever she pleases because she ain't on the right path anyway, so she might as well marry the guy she's infatuated with.
"love" or infatuation is blinding and we tend to forget that our parents only want the best for us. after all, they made many sacrifices just to raise us as comfortably as possible, and got us where we are today. we should be grateful for that and just like we can't be thank Allah SWT enough for all the blessings He has bestowed upon us, we can't thank our parents enough for taking care of us and putting up with all our crap for however many years.
we should ask ourselves, is infatuation really worth making our parents unhappy and going against Allah SWT's commandments?
life is short -- we should always remember our purpose in life and try our best to please Allah SWT, to be granted Jannat Firdaus, Inshallah.
would it really be worth giving up Allah SWT's word (the Quran) just to fulfill one's desires?
we should always do everything for the sake of Allah SWT, even if it means giving up someone with whom one is infatuated or "in love".
everyone makes mistakes, and Allah SWT is the All-forgiving and Most Merciful. so even if the girl is attached to the guy, she can always do tawbah, ask Allah SWT for forgiveness, and avoid making the mistake again. it might be hard to suppress her desire to marry the guy, but in the long run, it'll be worth it inshallah.
if i said anything wrong, it came from myself and the influence of shaitaan. may Allah SWT forgive me.
if i said anything right, then it came from Allah SWT's guidance.
I know of a couple in London, UK who are married. The guy is Jewish and the girl is Pakistani, Muslim. Her parents are and were o.k. with it. Don’t know about his family though. They are happy together.
I have to agree with Fraudiya though. I find it hard to feel sympathy for couples who have no problem getting together and then use their religious differences as a source of conflict. Were they not thinking of their parents? Did they not consider their religion before getting involved? It’s very similar to some guys who get involved with non-Muslim women, sometimes live with them, sleep with them and then dump them a few years later because they aren’t Muslim. 
If you get involved with a non-Muslim, then at least have the courage to stand by them … especially if you love them!
don’t you get it – it’s only AFTER marriage that reality sinks in and people realize that they made a mistake.
if it really was love, they would stand by their spouses, but since it never was, they don’t (though some do anyway, despite feeling they’ve made a mistake, just to prove to the world that everything is fine and dandy and that the struggle they put up beforehand was worth it because they don’t wanna admit they made a mistake).
LOL
as for converting to any other faith, islamically it ain’t allowed. i doubt that there is ANY religion that allows conversion to another faith.
you know, we should all be grateful to Allah SWT that alhumdulillah we were born and raised Muslim. it’s disgusting to see pathetic people letting themselves fall under the influence of shaitaan and (considering) converting for ANY reason whatsoever.
Re: Re: muslim jewish dating
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but..if you are so concerned about yer folks...how about factoring that in before you fall in love
I dont know about others, but I am so sick and tired of ppl who have these issues.. oh I love him but my parents dont like him.. well duhh make a choice...
If you are old nuff to fall in love and play house, you are old nuff to make yer own decisions.
she loves the guy..she knew what she was getting into, unless she is extremely thick....so if she knew what she was getting into, did she not run this scenario in her mind then?
so either the perents are hurt, or some poor lad gets dissed...right? now these ppl could not have done anything to avoid this situation.. but this girl could have.
I mean if she wants to marry him, fine, whether or not she converts, thats her business. but then looking for "answers" at the cross roads is kinda late innit?
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I totally agree with you Fraudia....why is she crying now when she knew the situations going in...?
what? what did u say? I didn't say i hate them, i said they're short because they interbreed amongst themselves (which is not incest, btw), how many people do u see converting to Judaism in comparison to Christianity or Islam? Uh, duh hardly any. That means jews marry amongs jews, mostly, and since its usually not different races or ethnicities..is this really worth explaining?
And well i guess at the time u were born, ur mother didn't want u so she passed u over to the doctor, well hello the doctor didn't want u, he passed u over to the wolves and well the wolves didn't really want to eat u..so here we are playing hot potato ONCE again.
highly unlikely? what...where did u hail from? Marrying within cousins does cause deformities
This was reported by the AP when it came out 2 years ago…
First cousins face lower risk of having children with genetic conditions than is widely perceived
Cousins contemplating marriage or concerned about a pregnancy arising from their union have often found it difficult to get accurate information about risks to their offspring.
In a paper published in the April issue of the Journal of Genetic Counseling, a task force made up of genetic counselors, physicians and epidemiologists, among others, has evaluated the evidence about risks for offspring for first cousins and provides guidelines for counseling and advising such couples.
The task force was brought together by the National Society of Genetic Counselors. It considered recommendations for various unions of consanguineous (literally, blood-sharing) couples related as second cousins or more closely.
The consensus of the task force and those who reviewed the recommendations “is that beyond a thorough medical family history with follow-up of significant findings, no additional preconception screening is recommended for consanguineous couples.” They should, of course, be offered genetic screening tests that would routinely be offered to other couples of their ethnic group.
In part because of social stigma and because marriage between first cousins is prohibited in 30 states and laws on other consanguineous relationships vary, the authors note that many such unions are kept secret.
“Because of widespread misconceptions about the actual level of risk to offspring, some of these pregnancies are terminated and other couples suffer a lot of needless anxiety,” said Robin Bennett, lead author of the paper and president-elect of the National Society of Genetic Counselors. Bennett is a certified genetic counselor at University of Washington Medical Center and manages the Genetic Medicine Clinic there.
The paper’s senior author is Dr. Arno Motulsky, professor emeritus of medicine and genome sciences at the UW and a pioneer in medical genetics studies.
Relatively few studies have documented actual risks to the offspring of consanguineous unions, the authors note, and many of the studies that have been done are flawed in terms of their relevance for the general population. The task force reviewed all studies published in English in the medical literature, and some additional materials.
What the authors were looking for is the additional risk of significant birth defects (mental retardation or genetic disorders) – or risk that is more than that faced by the general population of couples. For example, for couples, if the base (general population) risk of genetic conditions is 5 percent, it’s the additional risk that is important for consanguineous couples to know.
Although they emphasize that it’s not possible to come up with one number for all populations of consanguineous couples, the authors estimate the additional risk to range from 1.7 to 2.8 percent for first cousin unions. From her experience in counseling, Bennett believes these numbers are far lower than most people’s perception of the risk.
One reason these issues and questions have come to the fore now is that health care practitioners are seeing more cousin unions in the immigrant population coming to North America from Africa and the Middle East. In some of these societies, the authors note, cousin marriages are actually traditionally preferred and quite common. Better information and appropriate guidelines are especially needed by physicians and genetic counselors who work with these groups so that more objective and culturally respectful services can be provided.
The paper also includes guidelines for screening for the recessive genes that can produce offspring with disorders of metabolism or hearing disorders, among others. In many cases, these disorders can be treated if found early in life. In the same vein, the importance of routine, regular early childhood pediatric care, as set out in American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines, is emphasized for children of cousin unions.
And what about the laws preventing cousins from marrying? The authors note such laws may eventually change as a result of evidence about actual risks.
http://www.washington.edu/newsroom/news/2002archive/04-02archive/k040302a.html
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errrr… 
No information is better then disinformation.
What you may have heard is all about ** Marrying cousins, generation by generation may cuase Deformities in children**
Islam encourages marraiges both within the family and out side of family equally.
it's true that biologically marrying first cousins doesn't cause too much deformations in offsprings -- the risk of harsh mutations are always there, no matter who you marry. and just the fact that Allah SWT has given humanity the right to marry one's cousins means that there can't be anything wrong with it, otherwise it wouldn't be allowed.