when did witch craft become a religion?
Religion is: (1) : The service and worship of God or the supernatural. (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance.
I'm sure there are more.
its a practice..which makes it a religion
I have no problem with it actually. UTD the US is based on freedom of experssion and freedom of religion. You legally violate this girls basic freedom by this law. A violation of the Bill of Rights. The foundation of the US government and society. I say go for it.
Seminole is right, if there has been no discrimination in the application of a rule, and the rule is fairly and evenly applied, then there should be very little complaint. Frankly I do not want my daughter, or young Muslim women sitting next to some Satanist in whatever headgear they choose, not someone festooned with 10 thousand Stars of David.
The sense of victimhood around here is palpable.
And actually Wicca is a recognized religion.
Wiccan
Wicca is a religion, and someone who follows that religion is called a Wiccan. Sometimes it can be difficult to accurately define Wicca, and not all Wiccans will define themselves the same way. Observing the 8 Wiccan Sabbats, honoring the Gods and/or Goddesses, creating sacred space for rituals, to name a few. Many traditional Wiccans also feel that belonging to a coven is also a requirement and that those who practice their religion as a solitary, should not refer to themselves as Wiccan. Personally, I’m still not sure on that point. Typical Wiccans also practice magick, and therefore are also witches. You cannot be a “natural Wiccan” any more than you could be a “natural Christian”.
http://paganwiccan.about.com/library/weekly/aa030903wiccanwitch.htm
if the school applies the law in a uniform way i see no problems. it's just like forcing some girls to dress up more decently and not allowing mini skirts or other revealing clothes.
Either way you limit freedom of religion.
There are limits to religion everywhere. Otherwise Pat Robertson could demand to give his Sermon every Friday in your local Mosque....
And frankly there are effective options to public school education. many Mormons choose homeschooling as an option because they disagree with the curriculum and rules in their local schools.
Then i reackon Taliban were just enforcing their rules with non muslims no?
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Then i reackon Taliban were just enforcing their rules with non muslims no?
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The law is balanced, NO ONE is allowed to wear head gear, if it was only Muslims who weren't allowed then it would be Taliban like.
I wasn't referring to that. I am talking about the fact that according to their law women have to cover up. It was viewed as a very "uncivilized" law. It was similar for muslim and non muslim women. So it was balanced as well.
Wise One,
Then everyone in Israel should be made to wear Stars of David and Yarmulkes? Wouldn't Muslims love that? The point is that a neutral non-religious standard could be set, and consistantly enforced.
Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of Religion are not unabridged rights. If your religion requires you to sacrifice virgins on an altar, then you are guilty of murder no matter what your religion says. Born again Christians are not allowed to come into your mosques and exercise their Freedom of Speech by damning Muslims to h$ll. To the extent that someones beliefs interfere with the rights of others, then all persons may have their rights equally reduced in particular circumstances to promote harmony.
Just an FYI
she was allowed to return to school with the hijab.
i have no problem with school's policy if its fair towards everyone attending that school but why it took school officials this long to suspend her and why on sep 11 and not any other day? where they blind not to see her coming in scarf since the day she joined the school?
I don't see how wearing a scarf is equal to invading a mosque and cursing people to hell.Nor do i see it affecting other individuals. After all it is being done in other cities and states in USA, does it mean other individuals are affected by it in those states?. And who is to say that following a non religious code is better than following a religious code? It just suits some nations and it doesn't suit others. Difference in perspective.
School says Muslim girl can return with scarf
Wednesday, October 15, 2003 Posted: 11:19 PM EDT (0319 GMT)
OKLAHOMA CITY, Oklahoma (Reuters) – An 11-year-old Muslim girl suspended from an eastern Oklahoma school for wearing a religious head scarf was allowed to return to classes on Wednesday, wearing her head covering known as a hijab.
The girl, Nashala Hearn, will be allowed to wear her head scarf while Muskogee school officials evaluate their dress code policy that forbids any kind of head covering. School officials said the code was to prevent gang activity.
Their final decision on the matter should come at around the start of next year, officials said.
“We have worked out a compromise where she is allowed to wear the original head scarf she wore at first while I look at the legal authority saying our dress code is in error,” said school attorney D.D. Hayes.
Hearn, a sixth grader at the Ben Franklin Science Academy in Muskogee, Oklahoma, was suspended for a total of eight days for wearing the scarf. Her father contends she was singled out because of her religious beliefs.
Officials at the school had summoned Hearn to the office on September 11 to tell her she was no longer allowed to wear the scarf. She had worn it since the school year started a few weeks earlier.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/10/15/life.scarf.reut/
follow up to this story.
School dress codes are a big deal. From kids wearing do-rags promoting gangs, to inappropriate tshirts, to excessively revealing clothing. The problem is that some kid who wants to wear his "Crips" gang head scarf can point to the exceptions made by the school authorities, and can then use these inconsitancies in court. Policies can be created for all kinds of reasons, it's not always about you.
Frankly I have no problem with hajib at all, certainly better than the Brittany Spears look-alikes in some schools. The real point is that one debate about school uniforms can be used by the wimpy and weepy to demonstrate that the US is "anti-muslim", when in actuality the American Civil Liberties Union (probably 90% Jewish) would be the first to go to court to defend the girls right to her religious beliefs. The sudden impulse to sceam VICTIM around here is enough to make me barf some days.
The give and take of a democracy is an important process. But any one event cannot and should not be bandied about as proof positive that the whole world is against Muslims, and that was the knee jerk implication of this thread.
Why not change school. It's a simple solution.
However, if it is a universal ruling then one cannot bicker.
My daughters wear Head Hijaab to school, but are only allowed to wear plain black with no fancy embroidery or so. The school is an all girl school but very fair across the board. This is the policy.
We choose for our daughters to go there, therefore can live with this ruling.
Moving onto the post, it is rather ironic that she was allowed to wear it previously and now the stance seems to have changed.
Her parents have two options.
1 Stay and challenge the decision or
2 Change the school.
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School dress codes are a big deal. From kids wearing do-rags promoting gangs, to inappropriate tshirts, to excessively revealing clothing. The problem is that some kid who wants to wear his "Crips" gang head scarf can point to the exceptions made by the school authorities, and can then use these inconsitancies in court. Policies can be created for all kinds of reasons, it's not always about you.
Frankly I have no problem with hajib at all, certainly better than the Brittany Spears look-alikes in some schools. The real point is that one debate about school uniforms can be used by the wimpy and weepy to demonstrate that the US is "anti-muslim", when in actuality the American Civil Liberties Union (probably 90% Jewish) would be the first to go to court to defend the girls right to her religious beliefs. The sudden impulse to sceam VICTIM around here is enough to make me barf some days.
The give and take of a democracy is an important process. But any one event cannot and should not be bandied about as proof positive that the whole world is against Muslims, and that was the knee jerk implication of this thread.
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I can only speak for myself and in this thread it wasn't my intention to say all the world is ganging up against muslims. I just think its a sillY rule as i said before. I am glad they modified it.