you listed 4-5 secular examples, which shows bad research and limits options available.
and secondly you missed out
6) the Islamic model.
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you listed 4-5 secular examples, which shows bad research and limits options available.
and secondly you missed out
6) the Islamic model.
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Ahem.....I am sorry...but gee why did I miss out on the Islamic model.....Cause it doesnt exist does it?
And you must be the only person to think that the Taliban, Iran and Saudi are secular.
The attempts at the islamic model are mentioned in my post..A quick recap
1) The Taliban Model
2) The Iranian model
3) The Saudi Model
4) The infamous Law 295-C Model
clutching at straws????
you make me laff.. despite evidence presented, you continue to be in denial.
and now that you have brought up the 'Islamic model' in your argument... would you like to enlighten us to what this whole lead up was to?
or did you ot feel confident enough to state that from the start instead of just saying this is flawed that is flawed.
as Cuba Gooding Jr said.. 'Show me the money!'
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*Originally posted by Toddytapper: *
Ahem.....I am sorry...but gee why did I miss out on the Islamic model.....Cause it doesnt exist does it?
And you must be the only person to think that the Taliban, Iran and Saudi are secular.
The attempts at the islamic model are mentioned in my post..A quick recap
1) The Taliban Model
2) The Iranian model
3) The Saudi Model
4) The infamous Law 295-C Model
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Attempts at islamic model
can you be more specific what do you class as attempts
Saudi is monarchy for a start where in islam is a king or queen permitted.
Iran is a republic so bang goes your attempt there. If you want more clues iran is based on the French republican system.
Taliban system beating a few people for not having a beard is not an attempt at a system.
Have another go at this one :)
AK47,
Attempts at islamic model, I say because the rest of the world believes that these countries are governed by laws influenced to a great deal by teh Islamic code of law....
Didnt think it was such a tough thing to figure out.....
Anyway, Maybe my understanding on this issue is not good enough. Enlighten me....
How about an explanation for an Islamic model in a few short sentences covering.
Also please cover the following areas...
1) If I belong to the religion, "Followers of the Open Light" and as per my religion I am required to tell the whole world the main principles of the religion, can I do so?
2) If I am born to a Muslim family but do not wish to be a Muslim, can I live in a country where such a system is followed
3) I like a drink now and then and also like the taste of pork, and I am a Follower of the Open Light, so can I continue to enjoy these...
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*Originally posted by Toddytapper: *
AK47,
Attempts at islamic model, I say because the rest of the world believes that these countries are governed by laws influenced to a great deal by teh Islamic code of law....
Didnt think it was such a tough thing to figure out.....
Anyway, Maybe my understanding on this issue is not good enough. Enlighten me....
How about an explanation for an Islamic model in a few short sentences covering.
Also please cover the following areas...
1) If I belong to the religion, "Followers of the Open Light" and as per my religion I am required to tell the whole world the main principles of the religion, can I do so?
2) If I am born to a Muslim family but do not wish to be a Muslim, can I live in a country where such a system is followed
3) I like a drink now and then and also like the taste of pork, and I am a Follower of the Open Light, so can I continue to enjoy these...
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Before you start asking 101 questions about islam which is no problem to answer, lets straighten out facts first.
first you mention attempts at islamic model, and now you are saying they are influenced in your words a GREAT DEAL by islam.
They may have beards and mosques in saudi but that does'nt in anyway proove it is an islamic system. They have beards and mosques in america does that make it an islamic system there of course not. How will you judge what is the system or what influenced it. All you have to do is look at the constitution of each of these countries and you will find your answer of what system it is and what influenced it.
ak47, the team itself decided to change its name. No one forced them, so which secular elements are you talking about? trying to increase you post counts? next time pick something relevent and read it before posting.
ak47 still has not explained what he terms as 'freedom of speach' under islamic govt.
as far as the irani form of govt goes.. it is not in conflict with islam.. there is no detailed prescription within quran on how the islamic govt's should be set up... but that is for another topic.. and should not be discussed here..
this is where ak47 will tell us by what he means by freedom of speech under islamic model.
Re: Muslim Football league names draw Wrath!
Are Soldiers of Allah da same team who were in teh muslim basketball leauge and the same ppl who are known as the S.O.A in the rap scene?
pakcanada
i doubt it but it does'nt matter because under so called freedom they not allowed to be called that!
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this is where ak47 will tell us by what he means by freedom of speech under islamic model.
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Spot on.
The team changed its name according to their own wishes
The freedom of speech gauranteed they could use whatever name they wanted, even one as inappropriate to the occasion as they did. Wont people start jumping up and down if the Cubs or Mets decided to change their names to the Christian Crusaders? And yes, what would the little mollahs like AK47 do if they found out a bunch of Christians in Pakistan playing football with such a name?
spock are you that bored
team changed name according to its own wishes really with no outside pressures whatsoever 
ok if you say so i mean what was all the fuss about why did they even bother to print this story, if there was no problem with team names in first place, because obviously there was!
Your little theory about the freedom of expression not implemented doesnt make sense with this article. Stop criticizing others, you and other fanatics would be the first ones to protest when a Christian name is used. Remember how sad you were when Bush used the word Crusade? Apney girehbaan me pehle jhaank lo.
Spcok you secualr extremist
blind secualarsts like yourself always try and change the subject, the issue is clear they where not allowed to keep the names because it caused offense, to these right wing americans who most liekly don’t even know what the word mujahideen means
secondly if the team was called Crusaders it would not have caused offense because so called freedom of speech is for selected groups only.
As for Bush calling for a Crusade, there is big difference between 90 billion bombing campaign and a little league footbal team name.
And finally bush can call crusade or kill all muslims and say what he likes because point is proven this so called freedom of speech cause too many problems, hopefully extremists like your self will see the obvious but i doubt it!
by the way according to you i am so concerned in increasing post counts 
so why you adding to it?
You truely are an immature little fundo… Which right wing elements persuaded the team to change its name? Which madrassah did you goto? Didnt your beloved uncle Osama teach you how to read, or was he to busy cuddling you? If you cant carry out an argument, then dont resort to personal attacks, as thats what you will get, and then you start crying. Next time when you attack something, do post an article that actually goes with it, and bother to read it. Oh, and open a dictionary and learn how to spell secular
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As for Bush calling for a Crusade, there is big difference between 90 billion bombing campaign and a little league footbal team name.
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thats ripe coming from a proponent of Islamic values... where principle of the matter are more important that the monetary value or how many people are affected.
what is wrong for one .. is wrong for all
what has impact to one.. has equal weight on .. what will impact many.
The good of the many do not outweigh the good of the one.. or the other way around.
speck :topic: ur boring me
blackzero:
It would be better to comment on entire response than just picking on one sentance that way its not take out of context.
You will notice my next line was about the fact does’nt matter if bush said crusade or whatever freedom of speech is like a can of worms!
One persons so called free speech is at the expense of another persons rights.