Re: Muslim clerics urge fairness for Rimsha Masih
mo293:
At least you should have included the source and link to your post and not act as if you wrote the post from your mind.
You have posted over 2K so far and should know better than to act like the disciple of Srg*m********. 
Disciple of uncle Sargam?
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^:hehe:
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Oops, honest mistake.
I thought I had written ‘most religious parties’. I have zero problem with people that are religious, I personally am, and many others around me are too. But these are normal people of the country. Then there are educated Imams and Aalims, and I see quite a few where I live that too are sane and peace-loving individuals, most from middle class segment of the society.
The only problem I have with are the religious zealots, fanatics, and pretty much most religious parties. I have seen the inner workings of Jamat-e-Islami and a couple of other so-called political parties that use the name of Islam to fool the public. And I stand by my notion. This is the case in Lahore, you move towards smaller cities, towns and villages, and these parties have a much bigger clout. There they are a total mafia - organized crime in the guise of religion.
If you want a free all-expenses paid personal tour of how they work, I’ll be happy to provide one.
But yeah, religious people, no, they are the most respected and million upon millions of Pakistanis fall under this banner. But anyone that uses the name of Islam for his own personal benefit and gains, I have not an inch of respect for these people. Or animals. These could be terrorists, the various jamaats, and even their sympathizers in government and military institutions.
Heck, they could even be a small rag-tag team of maulvis who construct mosques on someone else’s (usually a weak widow or orphan) land, live there in the mosque, and then also create a few shops (on the mosque land) and rent them out and keep that proceeds themselves. Land mafia, pure and pure. There are two such mosques not far from where I live, and I challenge you to disagree here.
Anyway, moral of the story - any religious zealot that supports or sympathizes with terrorist has done well enough to earn the hate. They are one of the bigger reasons why Pakistan is in the mess it is is today.
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:hmmm: OK.
:hmmm: OK.
OK. But that does not relate to the OP or the title of the thread and not even to the statement from one religious scholar cited where he asked for fairness of the trial. And to which you called " a calculated Munafiqat".
As long as there is good quality lassie and hot parathay in the morning. 
Again this has nothing to do with the thread and your ‘honest mistake’. 
Now you are backtracking. :no:
You are trying to justify generalized hatred for religious people and used the word 'zealot’ which can easily be mistaken for **devout **religious person. Not good.
Why are you destroying your own explanation above by saying hatred is somehow justified?
P.S. You remind me another guppie with nick starting with letter ‘y’. Sorry if I am wrong.
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Oh I am so sorry for being a ***** … trust me 99.999 percent of my body weight is “sorry” 
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Love your ‘honesty’. 
BTW: GS trivia:
X2 once caught ‘uncle sargam’ :hehe: red handed, of plagiarism a long while ago.
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Oh it does. 
Isn’t he the same guy that is part of the esteemed DPC (Difa E Pakistan Council). The banner where a lot of the murderers, terrorists and company unite? We can’t behave like crocodiles and cry over spilled milk and broken eggs when the need arises, and carry on with our day job (which quite often happens to spread religious chaos throughout the country) at other.
Its like if I were the owner of a pharmaceutical company, and knowingly make fake medicines, but when I get a few minutes on the media, I cry out that against the practice and say all those that create and market these lethal fake medicines should be caught and trialled for murder. Then the very next morning I carry on with the practice of creating fake tablets, capsules and injections.
There is. Lots and lots of it.
On the house, of course!
Oh it does, something bad and negative is bad and negative in my eye at all places. 
I may cure cancer or any other lethal disease in the future, but that does not give me the free pass to start doing anything I see fit. Good should be good, bad should be bad. There are many people that tread the gray area (most of us), but to call something good as bad, and vice versa isn’t something I’ve learned.
Well this depends on how you define/perceive the word. 
A zealot can much more as easily be mistaken for fanatic. Someone that wants to impose their ideas and ideology upon others at any and all costs, violent included. A devout for me is a totally different word, you can be a devout good guy, having faith, caring for others, believe in other people, which is always great. Or you can be a devout terrorist and slaughter people left and right. Worse yet, you can be devout munafiq - the type we have quite a few here in Pakistan.
Hatred is always justified against hateful things. It’s a strong word, I know, and rarely do I associate it with people. But bad deeds should always be hated, good ones should always be appreciated. That’s the only way people can keep their moral compass tuned. This doesn’t mean that if someone makes a mistake you bring out the knives. Hate the bad deed, the crime, not the person.
Nope you aren’t quite right, I am afraid. And even though I have been lurking around this place occasionally for 1-2 years, though I registered once before, but for some reason wasn’t accepted. I signed up again just got in earlier this year. Don’t really know all that many members here, and the only one that I know of that starts wit the letter Y, and he’s a fine guy. Anyway, nothing to it, man, no reason to apologize!
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If you really are going to justify generalized hate without thinking, then why apologized earlier on your mistake?
I am surprised you claim to live in Lahore and make comment for Tahir Ashrafi.
I am not a fan of any religious party or Mr. Ashrafi, but your comment on him in the context of blasphemy law is absolutely uncalled for.
You seem to be oblivious of situation and people in your own backyard. Just a little search on this person brought this video.
Enjoy! 
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I see repeatedly the critics of blasphemy simply coming out with no basis of their hatred in general and not going to the essence of the problem which is that scholars themselves never ask for the implementation of this law on idiots/insane people or minors and that is not what the law says.
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I still stand by my notion that hate things (not people) that deserved to be hated. :flowers: And no this isn’t generalized hate, this is targeted hate. Targeted towards all the evils and wrongdoings, injustice. If you love the good things in life, it’s only natural you hate the bad ones. Because if you love everything yous see, good or bad, then what’s the point, huh? You just rub off the lines.
Again, by this I don’t mean hating on people - only the wrongs that they do. If someone is willing to repent, or change, after due punishment then they have every right to. But provided they change. Just curious, it would be interesting to hear your comments on Imam Khalid Jadoon, the guy mentioned on the first page of this thread, and how he fabricated the story.
Thank you, I did. :hypo: Even though I had seen this video before, and a few others too where Tahir Ashrafi was giving his viewpoints on a variety of subjects. And that’s because he has decent speaking skills. He is doing the role given to him very nicely, the role of a media spokesperson to spew munafiqat and sway public opinion. Do whatever you want, but when the camera is on, become an innocent little rabbit. Isn’t he the same guy in these two pictures? Look who he’s standing alongside with:
If I had noble intentions, which you seem to insist that Mr. Tahir Ashrafi posseses, I’d stay away from this group of people. I’d even stay away from religious politics. And no, there is no harm in joining a political party to contest elections, I only object to religious political parties. As I said in one of my earlier posts - any nation that makes a business out of religion, health and education is running towards its doom. There three are sacred fields of life.
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All I said that generalized hatred you showed was wrong and you accepted the mistake. But came back with some excuse for it.
The picture by itself has no value since a lot of people with different ideas can have the pictures taken together and even can be seen as shaking hands
However, I merely posted a video of this man Ashrafi. He is against wrongful use of law as was seen.
Give the man credit to come out and saying that. He challenged others not doing to curb the problem openly.
This is what I found.
**You can challenge him with his any other statement or video etc. where he said he is in favor of indiscriminate use of the law. Mere feelings not enough.
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As to the Jadoon guy, he does not seem to be an Aalim. He has allegedly committed a crime and anyone would agree with that.
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Not really. 
That earlier bit was a mistake, as I typed everything in a hurry. But as for my dislike for evil and hateful stuff, that still stands. These two things are not connected really.
LOL, now you are just grasping for straws. 
Nevertheless, I still would object to being photographed with people like these. And it’s just not photographs, Tahir Ashrafi is a full-on supporter of religious parties. Even if you give most of these parties, the benefit of the doubt, there are many bad eggs that have crept into these organizations and use these platforms for their agendas.
Which is a good thing, and I hope he builds on it. 
But being associated with banned organizations and terror groups doesn’t give me much hope. That is why I said first drop of rain or the only drop of rain. Anyway, what he said in this instance is good, not many speak publicly against the misuse of the law. Then again, Tahir Ashrafi’s resume doesn’t fill me with much confidence. That was my point.
Hopefully everyone does. 
We need to control things like these before they get out of hand (that is, if they haven’t already). Hypothetically speaking, what if the mob or anyone else for that matter killed the girl before she was put in prison. Anyway, news is that she is to be kept in jail for another 14 days, probably to cool things down. Let’s just hope no innocent life is lost in this case.
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Ok. I won’t rub that anymore. It was your honest mistake.
Now it seems you are very much against religious parties. Fine. You are among those who think politics should not be done by religious people or ulemas etc. That is another discussion.
One thing for sure. you are giving him some credit for speaking out against people who abuse the law.
That’s good enough. **So far we have nothing against him which shows his position to the contrary.
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His picture or alleged association with banned parties is another matter.
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Imam held in blasphemy case after new testimony | DAWN.COM
ISLAMABAD: A blasphemy case took a bizarre turn here on Saturday when police arrested Khalid Jadoon, a prayer leader who had allegedly put some pages of the holy Quran among the burnt papers to strengthen the case against a Christian girl.
The arrest was made after a statement before a magistrate by a witness, Hafiz Zubair, a Muezzin in the same mosque, in which he alleged that he saw Khalid Jadoon putting the pages of Quran in the polythene bags containing the burnt papers.
A heavy contingent of police raided the residence of the prayer leader after obtaining arrest warrants, picked him up and put him behind bars.
The witness disclosed before an executive magistrate that the Imam of the mosque in Mehra Jaffer had included two pages of the Quran among burnt papers brought to him by the complainant in order to exacerbate the situation.
He said he was sitting in Aitkaf in the mosque located in front of the house of the girl when complainant Malik Hammad brought the burnt pages in two polythene bags to the prayer leader.
The witness said he tried to stop the cleric from tampering with the evidence, but he insisted it would strengthen the case and lead to eviction of the girl’s family from the locality.
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Thank you!:hugz:
Yes, very much. Everyone is free to stand for elections, it’s their right. But a line should be drawn. :nahi: Anyone who studies religion, becomes an accomplished scholar should join mainstream parties, they are very much a part of the society. Instead of creating separate a platform based on religion, and then further fragmenting it based on sects and all that.
And then people use these religious parties to further their agendas, criminal or otherwise. Plus, if a person is elected from a religious party (based on the public thinking that he/she is a pious) and he misuses his position in the government, that will pretty much malign the religion itself. Islam or any other. So in the end, my point is one should be very careful in the matter or religion.
In fact, I am of the view that religious scholars should stay out of the dirty world of politics altogether, because really it’s hard to divide one’s attention and do justice to both religion and politics. But if someone plans to, then it’s best to join the mainstream parties or as an independent candidate. It’s always a good idea to keep a society unfragmented, instead of splitting everyone into smaller parts.
Agreed. But then again his association does cast a cloud over what he says. Sadly.
If I am knowingly associated with a drug dealer, then people will (and should) raise their fingers. Through it all though, I nevertheless appreciate that Tahir Ashrafi spoke against the abuse of the law. I recall he spoke against it on TV when Salman Taseer was murdered too.
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Those who are genuinely interested, might wish to read Khaled Ahmed’s article in this week’s The Friday Times.
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Yes, I see no point of dragging.
If someone says something bad, critics comes from everywhere. But if someone says something good then why keep criticizing.
I mean people just have to criticize.
That is why nothing is being achieved since people who criticize are themselves not sincere. They cannot encourage
people who say something good.
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can you tell exactly where in this article does the clerics call for treatment to this poor girl is mentioned.
As usual you have posted something to continue with your trolling activities. If it was in a relevant thread fine. Here it is not directly related. So stop trolling. Take this as a warning. There is a lot which I agree in that article but to post it here was not correct.
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BBC News - Pakistan ‘Koran plot’ imam remanded in blasphemy case