please note. we have notihng in common with Gandhara or kusha
civilizations. don't tell us that Pakistanis have anything in common with those civilizations.
our culture is Arab, Turkish and Iranian.
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And it is these same Sikh brothers that you fought in 45, 65, and 71. How long will it take Punjabis to wake up and stop occupying Pakistan as their kingdom?
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if you read the history of punjab
forget reading history just visit cities like amritsar it will be enough to see the horrors of past
beneath the so called punjabi brotherhood lies a eerie bloody past which is still raw
Islam not only unites us Pakistanis, it even unites all Muslims of the world. No matter where we are, we are Muslims.
Islam is a unique religion which unites humanity under the oneness of God. It will not be hard to realize how united Muslims really are by looking at us when we pray five times a day. All Muslims , from all corners of the world do the same thing five times a day. From Morocco to Egypt to Sinkiang to Indonesia, you hear the same thing in air - the call to prayer. All are saying the same thing, doing the same thing - praying to one unseen God. Our country's rulers may have many differences, but what fills my heart with joy is that all have to gather for Hajj in the same place, doing the same rituals. All have to fast in the same month (Ramadan) in all parts of the world. This is ideal unity!
No culture, no nationality offers such universal uniformity. Yes it is only Islam that offers such unity. It unites the humanity. Yes Islam is my religion! Yes Islam is my nationality!
*Originally posted by Madhanee: *
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Changeez, as Channmahi pointed out, you make us laugh. When Arabs were climbing trees, Punjab had thriving civilization(s), and that’s only about 3000 years before there was such a thing as Islam. If ethnic identity is less important to you, it is because you feel insecure about your ethnicity.
3000 years ago Punjabi wasn’t wearing a lungi, he was merely using leaves 
and he didn’t know he was Punjabi and thats why he progressed a lot more than now thats why you are wearing that lungi.
Arab n trees? how many forests are there? 
I don’t give a damn to ethnic identity not because I feel insecure, because in next life God will not check if you wore a lungi or you wore a ghutra.
Why Prophet Mohammad is often referred in the muslim world as “Rasool-e-Arabi”?
That would be in your village not in “Muslim” world.
**Your problem is that you think that by kissing ass of Arabs, you will somehow discover your identity. You as generic, and not you as in you. You don’t wana call yourself Punjabi that’s fine. What do you suppose non-Muslim Punjabis should call themselves? I think they should call themselves Non-Arab Non-Muslim Southern Iranian? **
I don’t have any problem, its you think that I have… I only said a line that Punjabi id is useless and you felt doomed since that is the only thing/ID you can stick to. I don’t need to kiss any ass, if you don’t like arabs I don’t give a damn about it. I only like “Muslims” be they Arab, Malaysian or Nepalese. Now go back to your lungi and save ur ID.
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*Originally posted by ZulfiOKC: *
Be it Punjabis , Sindhis or urdu all are part of Pakistan.
And Pakistan is GateWay of Islam. What happened in 1970's,
who did what. We Pakistanis Muslims must not be bothered.
The thing that we need to agree on that OUR IDENTITY
IS ISLAM.
Look at two nation theory. It was the basis of Pakistan.
It says that Muslims are separate nation. Why because their
practices, culture and beliefs are different than Hindu Majority.
So Pakistani Muslims opted for Pakistan. Now if anybody says
that Pakistan should be secular State has clearly not studied history.
And as for Bangladesh,it is a Muslim majority State. And they hate
Hindu India more than Pakistanis. When ever there is cricket match
they cheer for Pakistanis. And yes they even prayed that Pakistan should reply to Indian N tests in 1998.
It shows that only thing that ties us together is Islam.
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Pakistan was created in the name of Islam. Hundreds of thousands Muslims sacrificed their lives for it. The cock-eyed secularists in Pakistan are confused and come out with irrelevent arguments against Islamic Ideology. Muslims of all ethnic ethnic communities supported this concept. As for the East Pakistan crisis, it was the 'nara' of "Idhar Hum- Udhar Thum" which led to a civil war.
The argument about Kushans, etc. is BS. Can anyone tell me how many Kushans are living in Pakistan?
I never said that Arabs, Malaysian, Nepalese don’t exist, where did you get that from? When trying to make some statement, use some relevance, that’ll be helpful for you in your future (if there is one).
So you talkin to yourself about “Nepalese with E”? 
I hope Rajput fury could read Hamood Ur Rehman commission report.
From the posts you can clearly see problem of Nationalism, It is the ugly sister of Racism.
Throw it in the bin, it causes nothing but fights.
The Prophet (saw) said:
"Verily, only the believers are brothers"
and
"who invites to tribalism (nationalism) is not one of us" and "he is not one of us who calls for ‘assabiyah (nationalism), or who fights for ‘assabiyah or who dies for ‘assabiyah."
Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet (saw) said,
"Whoever fought under a banner of ignorance, got angry for a tribe, or called for a tribe or helped a tribe, and was killed, his death is a death of jahiliyah."
So as muslims it is clear we need to reject nationalism, this sayings of muhammad(saw).
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*Originally posted by ZulfiOKC: *
our culture is Arab, Turkish and Iranian.
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I hope you are not serious as I think 95% of Pakistanis have no Arab, Turkish, or Iranian blood.
Rehman, most Pakistanis are off Hindu or Buddhist ancestry. Anyway, the reason for 1971 was due to the rights denied to Bengalis through using their resources without proper compensation and under representation of them in the power structure.
The language issue was the emotional catalyst, not the main reason.
Okay just for the record, views put forward under my screen name in this thread are not mine, instead they are of a very close friend of mine, who was using my ZulfiOKC screen name. Not trying to sidetrack this important discussion...
IMO, there is such no thing as Muslim ummah anymore, lets not forget that after the fall of Ottoman empire, there was no one left to represent Muslim Ummah as a whole. Having said that, I would agree with some guppies here, that the world we live in today, everybody is looking for their own interests. Not to forget that our Muslimbrothers like Yasser Arafat, Saddam Hussain, and Anwar Sadat, always supported India when it comes to Kashmiri Muslims. For some reason I always get this feeling that when it comes to Arabs we are suppose to be all Muslim brothers, but when it comes to Pakistan/Kashmiri Muslims, all this talk of Muslim brotherhood just evaporates. It's true that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam, but let's also not forget the soon after the creation of the Land of Pure, father of the nation Mr. Jinnah, gave a speech in which he envisioned that Pakistan would be a state for everybody, and not just for Muslims.
Zulfokc
I think if you got opportunity to go on umrah or haj you will appreciate meaning of muslim ummah.
You will realise your muslim brothers and see them face to face from the muslim from china to the muslim of zanzibar to the muslim from america and belive me it is amazing sight.
to say there no muslim ummah is not correct, it is live and kicking just you need to realise it.
^ Very rightly said!
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Zulfokc
I think if you got opportunity to go on umrah or haj you will appreciate meaning of muslim ummah.
You will realise your muslim brothers and see them face to face from the muslim from china to the muslim of zanzibar to the muslim from america and belive me it is amazing sight.
to say there no muslim ummah is not correct, it is live and kicking just you need to realise it.
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Nobody is talking about the gathering of "seasonal muslims" in Mecca. What some guppies are trying to get across is that there isn't any political and economical unity among the muslim countries. Turks are leaving no stone unturned to join in the EU, it is what they have made the purpose of their lives and they don't give a flip to ummah shummah. Iraniain are proud and inward looking people for them everything matters is "Persia". Afghans are hobnobbing with India then why should we waste our energy for this dead idea. Pakistan has its own internal and external problems which should be fixed in the first instance. And if Pakistan manages to become a stable country both economically and plitically other islamic countries would start looking towards Pakistan to take over a major role in the islamic world.
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*Originally posted by shawaiz: *
Nobody is talking about the gathering of "seasonal muslims" in Mecca. What some guppies are trying to get across is that there isn't any political and economical unity among the muslim countries. Turks are leaving no stone unturned to join in the EU, it is what they have made the purpose of their lives and they don't give a flip to ummah shummah. Iraniain are proud and inward looking people for them everything matters is "Persia". Afghans are hobnobbing with India then why should we waste our energy for this dead idea. Pakistan has its own internal and external problems which should be fixed in the first instance. And if Pakistan manages to become a stable country both economically and plitically other islamic countries would start looking towards Pakistan to take over a major role in the islamic world.
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Shawaiz
The example of hajj and umrah was a practicle example i highlighted.
The ummah wants unity and one islamic state.
The only obstacles to that are the corrupt rulers and the help they get from the west.
The ummah can perform hajj and umrah just fine, whilst living in their own respective countries
Personally, I find it hard to shed tears for those Muslims, who have not sided with us over the Kashmir issue, and this includes the rulers, as well as the people of those so called Muslim countries.
I think i have repeated it before but it seems i need to do it again.
THe hajj and untiy of muslims was a small example of how muslims are united on 1 issue. We have 101 other issues also.
What muslims need to work for now is that to manifest this unity of belief and brotherhood into all spheres including unity on global scale and this means in the political sense as one block one state!
Muhammad(saw) rejected nationalism calling it disgusting so as muslims we should do same and not become emotional just on basis of colour of skin, language or a flag!
:k: I agree
If you "Islamists" want to erase our ancestories and try to connect us to the Iranians, Arabs or Torks it's not going to happen. We are descended from tolerant people who still have compassion for others. Until this Shia- Sunni FORIEGN nonesense that into our culture we were together. Until that hypocrite ZAB sold out to you Islamists, Ahmadis were with us. Until Liaquat Ali Khan courted you Islamists and abondoned our Hindus, Christan and other minority countrypeople, they were with us. How many divisions did you all seek in creating this united Pakistan? The Quaid's dream was a for a MODERN, Progressive Islamic nation, something that your co-ideologist of that time opposed.
So what if the Punjabi identity is recognized or the Pakhtuns celebrate their culture? These ethnicities have existed long before Islam and are not going to go anywhere. We as Pakistanis are a largely Muslim nation, so certainly we have that bond, but lets not forget our racial stocks are similar and descended from many of the Indus Valley civilizations that mentioned earlier, food, clothing, language are all closely related and more importantly, most of us see ourselves as Pakistanis.
Before you Islamists go off and try to brush aside my views, don't forget that I too am a believer in Islam (a Deobandi in fact). However I will never push my belief system down the throats of people of Pakistan. First come to a consensus on whose Muslim before you even start talking about my Fatherland.
In reality we should put Islamic brotherhood before nationalism.
But sadly it’s not a perfect world and most people don’t really give a damn about religion anymore so maybe it was a bad idea making a country in the name of religion.
One thing is for sure the only thing that can hold us together is religion, if that’s not going to do it then nationalism certainly can’t.
Our people are all ethnically different, our outlook on life, our way of living our values are totally different. The only thing that could have made us think and act alike is religion but if that’s not going to be taken seriously then nothing can keep us from splitting up.
What I’m saying is we need something to pride ourselves on, it’s either going to be religion which is what most of us have in common or patriotism/nationalism and patriotism/nationalism can only be felt for ones own heritage, language and ethnic group which is different for all of us.
Sorry for the long jumbled up reply, it’s getting late and I’m very sleepy.