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Well, showering is a must of course. But when one has to drive back and forth from work in the hot sun (1.5 hours each way), obviously the sweat gets to you.

Underarm deoderant helps -- but that too is said to have alcohol in it??? (according to this post)...and deoderant has a scent too, doesn't it?? So, wouldn't that apply for the hadith posted above?

Plus, sweat glands are not limited to the underarm area -- what else can you wear that has no scent but will get rid of body odor (everyone has it, so lets not get immature).

I agree with ahmed...as long as you're not trying to capture anyone's attention with it...it really shouldn't matter.

Plus, that is a hadith. Hadith is not farz, its sunnah. Sometimes, one is in an environment where the hadith becomes difficult to follow.

and notice the hadith targets women wearing perfume, not men...

women get plenty turned on by a man's cologne. So I suppose, you men ought to throw out your colognes too.

Gentleman first. You throw yours out, i'll throw mine out.

Hadith always target women. You should have learned by now

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Only directly related questions in this thread please.

Sentinel.

[This message has been edited by Sentinel (edited June 21, 2002).]

Respected Sister In Islam,
Call this an observation, but why do you put questions regarding Islam when you are not open to suggestions that are put to you?

I am not here to offend you, but reading thru the posts, u have obviously dismissed anything other guppies have come up with using Hadiths or Quranic verses, or simple logic.
Its as simple as that..if you want to wear perfume go ahead, only Allahs knows whether its right or not. Everyone is intelligent enuf to make decisions on such minor issues of islam.

JazakAllah khairun

well PCG…a succinct answer would be that u are allowed to wear alcohol based perfumes, but it is reccomended that u use other wise…as this islamic scholar says:

i think these very questions were bothering u…i hope this helps

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"u have obviously dismissed anything other guppies have come up with using Hadiths or Quranic verses, or simple logic.

Quite the contrary, whenever I see anyone using simple logic here, I see the post or the whole thread is wiped out.

I've used logic many times here, but it never seems to work.

Which is why I understand now why a small group of guppies come here often. The precise LACK of logic scares pple away.

On the matter of the hadith posted above on women not wearing perfume - i've shot that hadith down becuase as posted above another hadith exists in which the Rasul (PBUH) himself would use perfumes. It doesn't make sense to me that rights given to men aren't being given to women in this hadith I'm criticizing.

The guppie a couple posts above posed an excellent question which got taken out.

If men are permitted to wear perfume , wouldnt they be committing adultery every time they pass women by?

This , my dear, is LOGIC.

Hence, I dont really go on Hadith too much, because as another intelligent guppie pointed out on another post - there is a difference between Sunnah and Hadith.

I take this difference seriously.

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Originally posted by PyariCgudia:
"u have obviously dismissed anything other guppies have come up with using Hadiths or Quranic verses, or **simple logic.

Quite the contrary, whenever I see anyone using simple logic here, I see the post or the whole thread is wiped out.

I've used logic many times here, but it never seems to work.

Which is why I understand now why a small group of guppies come here often. The precise LACK of logic scares pple away.

On the matter of the hadith posted above on women not wearing perfume - i've shot that hadith down becuase as posted above another hadith exists in which the Rasul (PBUH) himself would use perfumes. It doesn't make sense to me that rights given to men aren't being given to women in this hadith I'm criticizing.

The guppie a couple posts above posed an excellent question which got taken out.

If men are permitted to wear perfume , wouldnt they be committing adultery every time they pass women by?

This , my dear, is LOGIC.

Hence, I dont really go on Hadith too much, because as another intelligent guppie pointed out on another post - there is a difference between Sunnah and Hadith.

I take this difference seriously. **
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Asalam O Alaikum,
My advice to you, Dont get too caught up with the differences that you lose the motive behind the discussions.
Firstly, one needs to evaluate how serious the issue is, and how it effects us as Muslim. We have to prioritize the issues when we discuss them.

Yes its true that Prophet Muhammad (saw) was very strict about cleanliness, whether it be body wise or else. Cleanliness is ibadat.

If a women wants to wear perfume, and like u pointed out, what we are to do if we are driving 1.5 hours back and forth from work in the midst of summer, well there are lot of ways around it.

Think about it, if a women really wants to wear a perfume that smells really nice, she wouldnt really be stepping out of the house without her mehram, for un-necessary reasons. She is very un-likely to attract any na-mehram's attention in either of the cases. Isnt that the real reason why women is told not to wear nice perfume??????

If u r going to work, (which is the case with most of modern muslim sisters) then, u just have to be cautious of what sort of perfume u r wearing. and i firmly believe in that, perfumes do attract men.

Other than that, its all about one's niyat.

Logic can be used, but in very minor cases sister. Where we are not given clear cut instructions in Hadiths or in Quran. thats when we are to make intelligent decision as to what to take and what to leave.

On last note...dont make Islam so hard for urself that u lose sight of what really matters. Allah ul Alam

JazakAllah

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Qaswa, believe it or not, I agree with almost everything you said there.

That was kind of my point. I do see now that perfume can attract a man, but there are many other things that can also. And niyat is definitely a big thing. In fact, almost EVERYTHING a woman does has a potential of attracting men. But for working women, some sacrifices do need to be made, as long as they're being done in the right niyat - I suppose God wont mind too much.

And yes, you're absolutely right. I do feel the whole perfume thing is a minor matter, but when you have a hadith that says its equal to ADULTERY, it does make one a bit uncomfortable. To be honest, this hadith has had me in a very agitated state of mind. Especially when there is another hadith that says the Prophet himself wore perfume. Perhaps I am the one pulling things out of proportion.

Its still bothering me, and I guess the best way to deal with it is to continue to wear perfume, just making sure that I use a lighter scent and something not very spicy, and sex-inducing.

Asalam ualikum W’r W’b;

PyariCgudia, I noticed the thread about polygamy and now this thread, and I feel that you try to use one ahadith to satisfy yourself and prove your point, and ignore the rest. Before a trend sets in, let me clarify something to you:

You, or I, or most of the participants in this forum are not in a position to give you a ruling on this subject! What we’ve presented to you are 3-5 ahadiths, there might be 100s of other ahadiths on this subject which we have no knowledge of. Only an aalim who has sufficiently studied ahadiths and knows all sides of this issue, can help you understand and see the way the Prophet(PBUH) had tackled this issue.

Dont start(or end) your research at the religion forum, ask scholars and not us, make istikhara and then make a decision.

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JazakAllah Khairun Mahiwal,
You have said it All in just couple of sentences.
Allah hafiz

I am not making a ruling on any subject regarding hadith.

I'm stating facts, and pointing out contradictions.

I'm sorry if I've offended you, but I try to use rational thought on the matter.

And what I see is crystal clear. 2 Hadith's that directly contradict each other. Yes, of course there may be many more hadith's on the matter, and an aalim would be a great way of finding out more information as well as doing some research of our own.

But in that way, I could tell all of you also, that every post you have posted, you have no right to do it, because you aren't aalim's either.

When someone takes one side of the polygamy issue and another takes another side of it, and both are using reasoning, its really not fair to oust one out by whining "oh PCG, you are doing this, and you are doing that, and you're doubting, and you're doubting, and you're questioning."

Like I've politely said before, If anyone has a problem with any statements I have made, or has any questions regarding my thougths, one is MOST welcome to drop me a PM.