Re: Musharraf to ‘quit as army chief’
Here is some masala for you that you desired:
http://www.panhwar.com/Article106.htm
You talk of democracy and whatnot yet you support this guy’s actions? I only see ethnic chauvinism in your actions… No wonder your “hate” for musharraf..
Re: Musharraf to ‘quit as army chief’
dig up some more masala and show me where I’ve supported Justice Muneer. Put your money where your mouth is.
Re: Musharraf to ‘quit as army chief’
Looks like Musharraf will continue to remain Army Chief
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_politics
Re: Musharraf to 'quit as army chief'
yeah..someone's already challenged these in Lahore High Court and Supreme Court is going to have a look at them as well. I doubt they'll survive the scrutiny. Not only that the change of rules so late in the game looks suspicious but the fact that the Election Commission decided to not announce these changes furthers the view that EC is going to tag team with Mush to rig the elections. That my friends is unfortunate.
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Mashallah. Excellent reply that takes into account the geo-strategic reality of today.
Yup, some people still want to hark back 50 years or more to find some solace to do down Musharraf, but so much has changed in the world since then. In fact so much has changed since the 1990's when Pakistani people used to put up so much political instability caused by the likes of BB and Nawaz. Now especially after 9/11 we have external complusions as well to ensure strong executive rule and continuity and stability in the governance of Pakistan. That will ensure Musharraf remains at the top for many years to come with exceptional executive powers in partnership with a moderate civilian setup. Who rules Pakistan is not about local or national politics anymore - it's an international concern as well. :)
Re: Musharraf to ‘quit as army chief’
Aalsi,
Bhaijan, more bad news. Not really. He is not quiting army post and he will not. And there seemed to be no deal between BB and Mush.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_politics;_ylt=AlRxkkDh5EX8ozZySTgznVEBxg8F
By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer
Mon Sep 17, 2:21 PM ET
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan's Election Commission changed the rules Monday to open the way for President Gen. Pervez Musharraf to seek a new five-year presidential term without giving up the powerful position of army chief.
Opposition parties decried the move as a brazen violation of the constitution and accused the U.S.-allied leader of trying to bulldoze legal obstacles to his staying in power amid increasing demands for an end to military rule. They predicted a surge in democracy protests.
The ruling was likely to end up before the Supreme Court, which has proved an impediment to Musharraf this year and which many people hope can find a way to guide Pakistan out of a political crisis that some fear could lead to violent demonstrations and martial law.
Musharraf seized power in 1999 after a decade of chaotic civilian rule and pledged to eradicate Islamic extremism and bring “real” democracy to Pakistan. But he has yet to say publicly when he will give up his parallel post as army chief, the main source of his authority.
The five-member Election Commission, whose chairman was appointed by Musharraf, said it changed a rule for the presidential vote by legislators, due by Oct. 15, so a constitutional article barring government employees — such as army officers — from running no longer applies.
“The chief election commissioner of Pakistan has made the requisite amendment, with the approval of the president,” the panel said in a statement.
The move appeared to signal Musharraf's determination to extend his rule and dimmed the promise of already-stalled negotiations between Musharraf and the moderate party of exiled former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto on a potential power-sharing deal.
It could also deepen divisions within the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Q party as Musharraf struggles to calm an intensified democracy campaign as well as respond to the resurgence of Taliban and al-Qaida militants entrenched in the region along with border with Afghanistan.
In the latest violence, the army said it had lost touch with 16 soldiers at an outpost near the Afghan border hours after they reported killing 14 militants in a battle early Monday.
Musharraf’s popularity has plummeted since March when he tried to fire the Supreme Court’s independent-minded chief justice, sparking widespread pro-democracy demonstrations led by the country’s lawyers. The high court later ruled the president could not remove the judge.
Musharraf retrieved some of the political initiative last week by blocking a personal challenge from another exiled prime minister, the man he toppled eight years ago in a bloodless coup. Nawaz Sharif was sent back into exile in Saudi Arabia just hours after he flew in.
However, in doing that, Musharraf has set up another showdown with the Supreme Court, which ruled earlier that the government could not prevent Sharif from coming home and which on Monday resumed hearing arguments over six petitions challenging Musharraf's eligibility to run.
Bhutto forecast that the change in the election rules would further enrage the lawyers who mounted the well-organized protest campaign that preceded the reinstatement of the Supreme Court's chief judge.
"All political parties, irrespective of whether they were moderates or religious, regional or national, came together to back the lawyers and their movement and I think the same would happen again," Bhutto told The Associated Press late Sunday, when Pakistani media first reported the rule change.
Bhutto said her party might join other opposition groups in resigning from parliament. She said that for Musharraf to seek re-election in uniform would be "illegal."
Bhutto and Musharraf have discussed a deal that would include constitutional amendments to remove legal problems to the president running again and let her return home to seek a third term as prime minister in parliamentary elections due by January.
But the talks have snagged amid opposition from right-wingers in the ruling party who could be eclipsed if Bhutto made a triumphant return.
If it remains in place, the rule change announced by the five-member Election Commission would remove the need for a power-sharing pact.
The commission said it was updating its rules to reflect Supreme Court rulings in 2002 and 2005 that Article 63 of the constitution did not apply to Musharraf.
The article bars civil servants, including members of the military, from running for elected office. The article also says former civil servants must wait for two years before they become eligible for election. Some argue that makes Musharraf ineligible even if he quits as army chief.
The 2002 and 2005 court cases challenged the legality of Musharraf’s presidency, including his holding of the office of president and army chief at the same time.
Qazi Hussain Ahmed, head of a six-party coalition of Islamic parties in the opposition, said the latest move could destabilize Pakistan by discrediting the election commission.
“Gen. Musharraf is not getting off the bulldozer he has been riding” since toppling Sharif, Ahmed told the AP. “Now he is bent upon further ruining the constitution.”
“We will block his way through street power and through every available forum,” Ahmed added.
Mushahid Hussain, the ruling party’s secretary-general, predicted Musharraf would step down as army chief shortly after winning parliament’s presidential vote.
“I expect him to be sworn in as a civilian president,” Hussain said, but he added: “It’s my own personal view. I’m not in the government.”
Associated Press writers Zarar Khan and Sadaqat Jan contributed to this report.
Re: Musharraf to 'quit as army chief'
dig up some more masala and show me where I've supported Justice Muneer. Put your money where your mouth is.
Then what is your beef with me calling him as it is?
If this is not support, then what is? :D
Re: Musharraf to 'quit as army chief'
Then what is your beef with me calling him as it is?
If this is not support, then what is? :D
I am only doing my job. U r not allowed to swear against anyone here.
Re: Musharraf to ‘quit as army chief’
Perhaps not very long… 
Exactly!
I just hope he really knows and understands this…
No harm wishing…but don’t raise ur hopes too high…suicidals aren’t going, mush or no mush. Unfortunate for us. Or if 50% suicidals are hired by political parties trying to oust Mush thats another story, but even then, the real hard core jihadi suicidals are nobody’s piece of cake to evade, not even the ever-powerful Musharraf has been able to keep them out, and just don’t even imagine how effective the political leaders could be, they wont even count…the man who wants to keep them at bay is never supported and is being blamed for everything and is being kicked out, one shouldn’t have any high imaginations abt how BB, Fazl, Qazi, Mian or Imran could save us from suicidals, US wrath etc. They simple cant, wont.
Re: Musharraf to ‘quit as army chief’
Constitutionally Mian saab had the right. But what does the constitution do? There are procedures, guidelines, protocols. Mian saab violated everything. And as Maddy pointed above, under his right to ‘fire’ the COAS for no reason without even telling him he thought he could come up with new ways of ‘firing within his right’ and thought to play a death-game with a commercial flight carrying 198 passengers and the serving COAS carrying with his post the honour and prestige of the country. And, constitutionally the President has the right to send a reference against the CJ.
Surely. But there shall be no surprise too if the next ambitious COAS is not as much in love with democracy, constitution, free-media and judiciary as desired, or even as little as Musharraf regards these rights…
Which lobby will be blamed for jumping into the fire out of a frying pan (if this regime must be called that) which is cooling down and promising smooth transition over a few years but is being hurriedly ousted…?
:balley:
Re: Musharraf to 'quit as army chief'
I am only doing my job. U r not allowed to swear against anyone here.
.. Only if that policy is evenly "enforced" across the forums..
Re: Musharraf to 'quit as army chief'
The ******* is three years too late. What happened to his word regarding removing the uniform by December 2004? He made a promise and went back on it. So much for honoring his word to the Pakistani people. Such weak memories you all have.
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Yeah so weak memories that Musharraf’s promise to get naked on 31 Dec 2004 is now seemingly the worst that anyone has done to Pakistan in terms of backstabbing the nation, lying, or leaving a promise unfulfilled…