Musharraf, Benazir, Altaf a US dream team for Pakistan

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If i had to bet on karachi votes

I would say the vast majority would be MQM, in the 65-70% range.
rest would be divided between PPP, MMA, PML(Q), PML(N) in that order
just a gut feel.

Timepaas
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I dont know, ask ehsan.
him and his mods have been solely responsible for this section for weeks now.

@CM - Am I Pakistani?
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I understand, but I wasnt sure about the 60-70 I thought actually not even 45, but maybe you right here. Thanks for the info. But I still believe Altaf will not play the major role and will be only used for the right purpose, til the MQM bashing will start by BB.

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US Dream Team? If there is a dream team then it comprises of ALL those political parties that have collaborated with uncle Sam in the past and the list is endless. Shall we start with the war against communism and include Jamaat e Islami? Or, shall we start with the Afghan rebellion and add JUI and all other Muslim Leaguers? Most importantly, have we forgotten the last six years of war against terrorism? Who was their best ally? Ch Shujaat, Elahi, Ejaj ul phuk, etc etc.

Mud slinging political leaders by calling them uncle Sam poodles is hurting no one but Pakistanis self respect.

Shame on the post.

Timepaas
Timepaas
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I am looking at how voting will materialize not necessirily how ppl will vote :D

basically registered voters who will not vote will probably unknowingly be voting for MQM anyways. although a strong election commission (yes I say that in jest) coud avoid that.

regardless anyway it is cut, the party getting the largest piece of the pie would be MQM.

I dont think Altaf will come to Pakistan, he will probably just do his bakbak in UK. but then this is Pakistani politics, anything can happen, I am waiting for zia to show up all of a sudden from wherever he is hiding in witness protection plan :D

BB is not going to go after MQM, the architects of this whole scheme want the focus to be in religious militants, MQM would be left on its own and to run Karachi atleast for the first couple of years.

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True there! I don't think BB will spare MQM. Actually she never did, why this time? The pleague is out there and It has become a huge problem and yet dominating ppls mind in KHI. I just wonder why there has been no one to take care of them. No one dared to do so in perfection!

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she may want to but there is no way that her benafactors would allow her to take any action in Karachi with what is going on in FATA. unless she makes a connection between the 2 or is done with cleaning up FATA. she will not be allowed to touch Karachi.

Also you have to remember last time it happened, there was minimal internet and independent Tv coverage. That is no longer the case.

think about it, ppl are getting ticked off at police beating up lawyers, and tossing them in cars. could you imagine media coverage when ppl are finding their family members killed in staged encounters, etc. a paramilitary force laying entire neighbourhood under seige and going door to door?

and aside from emdia ppl recording it and sending it to news channels, showing strng armed tactics of paramilitary forces.

can it still happen, yes, but not like it had taken place earlier. i highly doubt it, a more covert op against top leadership of MQM and take em out or jail em may be something more possible.

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Why on earth is there nothing to be done? This is something I have never understood and I have never understood how MQM could spread so fast and easily like cancer. Was there no one to look after parties, ppl and rules and regulations of creating parties?! If mainly every one agrees on that MQM can be related to terrorist activities in their own country with their ppl (Webs.com has been shut down: Find out more). Why on earth is there no way to take em out in your own country? Besides even if BB is busy with FATA she mustn’t deny or ignore the terror within! Which will be (for sure) one day or another a major treat to our country and in longer run a treat even to other countries. This time they have been very quite, but as soon as the strong hold of Mushy falls and the back up power is no more, we will notice a big U-turn in MQM’s way of dealing with other political figures and their supporters.
It’s high time we realize and analyse the treat in KHI within!!!

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i personally don't like Altaf Hussain because he sounds like a jerk everytime he speaks. His speech lacks the sound of intellect, he says idiotic things, his interviews are more hilarious and that of a hype rather than a leader. As for the organization MQM, i think they could serve the people better if it weren't under him. They should retire him and carry a pure public service agenda as their moto says. The could still purify and untaint their tainted name by dissociating from him because frankly they don't have much to gain by being under the umbrella of his name.
Just personal views ppl...dont' get ur panties in a bunch (for those Altaf sympathizers).

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I am not arguing that nothing should be done, but stating what I see as the short mid term situation. other extremist groups basically died down as their polarizing leaders kicked the bucket, whether you look at jiye sindh's Gm syed, or wali khan and ghaffar khan of NWFP, BLA ppl are more like MQM as they are sitting overseas. Maybe the same will happen once altaf eats one samosa too many.

but in the immediate future, i simply dont see any govt tackling MQM, whether its Musharraf or Benazir or Nawaz.

and when they do tackle MQM, it will not be the same as the previous couple of attempts because human rights groups were all over them but no one listened. who cared about Pakistan then? Now its very diff.

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what some govt should do is just take Altaf and the top brass of MQM with the ghunda activity and the major street muscle..the knee cap brigade basically, and jail them, bring more civilized ppl in the party to the forefront and scrutinize party actions like elliot ness..for a number of years. Other than that we will have just as much luck cleaning MQM as cleaning MMA..or for that matter bringing a regime change in any party.

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^ doesn't it tell you something? You ask why mqm is able to. Grow like fast cancer? What else can it be but that so many people have been radicalized by the islamic crowd.
Most commenters what they. say 'it's only a small minority that is causing the destruction and chaos". Forget that a huge proportion of pakistani awam supports these jihadis and it is this support that's spreading pakistan"s cancer all over pakistan.

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yep, jahlat does bite one's butt in the end.

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Tariq Sahib,
Why do we always interpret things the way It suits us best!?!
I ask you, why was the British Government not aware of the home growing Muslim radicals in their neighbourhoods? Some sources say approx. 2000 people of the 3rd and 4th generation are a real threat to U.K.
Having had no real contact to Pakistan's Government nor to Pakistan's ISI nor to Taliban/NA/WAZIRISTAN nor (I MYSELF believe) having any direct link to Al QAEDA.
What I mean to say is:
Can you explain me why a person like Altaf Hussain was able to live in exile for years and years in London, while MI5 and Co exactly knew (and still know) about his terror activities in Pakistan? There were no arrests made, never accusations, not even finger pointing by U.K.
So who are we to blame a Country like Pakistan for not doing enough against a terror organisation MQM.
On the other hand I believe It would be wrong linking radicalization of Islamic crowd to MQM's establishment, intensive growth and massive strengthening in only 20 yrs.

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Yes he is.

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One word: Army… does this look familiar with Taliban/Al-Kyeda?

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isnt the dream team missing one key member, fazl?

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Hmmm, I would have bet my money on Prince Charles, the Queen, Boy Georg or Kissinger himself, but why on earth the Pak Army?!?!?

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He is just a little pawn. When said he appears, when said to shut up he runs and hides (like OBL).
More under control of Karzai and Co.

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i thought Spock left on his own?