Re: Musharraf assailed in Parliament
there you go, wahabo-phoebia again lol. The existence of these boogiemenwahabiz gives musharraf the green signal to remain our president for ever, by any means necessary and do whatever he wants, no matter how illegal or disastrous it is.
I think you missed General Gulzar Kiyani's interview...your favourite illegal President was much obssessed with these Jihadis in 1999....went out to conquer Kashmir on his own in February 1999 when he attacked Kargil without informing the Government of the day, and without coordinating with air force or Navy....
Later in order to hide his incompetence imposed martial law in the country in October 1999 fearing he will be court martialled due to his jihadi adventurism....history is showing that he was the most incompetent army man in our history....who for the last about a decade has made the country suffer to hide his incompetence...played havoc with constitution/institutions...first in the name of jihad....and later by trying to create a fear against jihad....this person is a hypocrite/opportunist of highest order our country has ever seen!!!!
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Nawaz is not just Rich, he is rich because he is mega crook and immoral at the same time. Nawaz believes on the principle … ‘Rushwat laynay say na daro, agar pakrayea tou rushwat day ker choot jao’. Thug Nawaz use his corruptly obtained money to buy anyone who are dishonest and could be bribed, from Journalists, Judges, Generals, Politicians, Bureaucrats, etc … to further his corruptions. Those who are honest and cannot be bought, he would use any means to destroy that person. Nothing is sacred for him and he tries to run over any person or institutions that can stand between him and his corruption.
You do not have to believe my words. One of the oldest Journalists of Pakistan ‘Irfan Husain’ (writing since 70s), who knows a lot about Pakistani politics and politicians (much more than today’s Hamid Mir, Shahid Masood, and others), wrote about Thug Nawaz in Dawn: Few quotes from Irfan article on Nawaz:
Please read the whole article to know a bit of Nawaz.
http://www.lib.virginia.edu/area-studies/SouthAsia/SAserials/Dawn/2000/dec1600.html#them
[Go to ‘Editorials & Features’ and look for article written by Irfan Husain].
Irfan Husain
there you go, wahabo-phoebia again lol. The existence of these boogiemenwahabiz gives musharraf the green signal to remain our president for ever, by any means necessary and do whatever he wants, no matter how illegal or disastrous it is.
Dear sir forgive my ignorance. Let me reiterate, mr genius sir that I am on your side. Wahabi fundos were never a concern or even existed and only came out of mysterious hiding just to rescue us from musharraf.
Re: Musharraf assailed in Parliament
People with short memories don't even remember when hundreds of shias were being gunned down by...guess who? Wahabi terrorists. All these jihadi organizations have obviously existed since the afghan war days and Mush was the first leader (pre 9/11) who dragged all the mullahs together and told them to stop the sectarianism. Mush may have erred in Kargil, but he learned his lesson quickly, unlike the Nawaz and Imrans of this world who continue to parrot jihadi propaganda that blame for terrorism lies on the shias, kafirs, jews, hindus, americans etc.
are you saying fellow saleem bhais 23402304 line long posts about musharraf innocent as far as kargil is concerned are wrong 
Brief means 'to sumarise' ... that could be in the form of short report in few words or few paragraphs. Nevertheless, anyone who is got the briefing could not say that he do not know anything or that he/she was not told of something.
Obviously, Nawaz could not expect to know everything other than the briefing of the plan and that is what any Prime Minister would know. If he was interested than it was upto him to find out the details and discuss that (actually, if you will see the interview, Nawaz had hours of discussion about the plans with many and that means he did not just had briefing but was told many things in details). As for briefing, even Gulzar Kiyani gave Nawaz briefing about Kargil ... and further in interview Gulzar also said that Nawaz had long discussion about Kargil with many ... so, it was lie when Gulzar said that Nawaz did not knew anything about Kargil operation.
Yesterday, the interview was repeated.... Gen. Said, there were two presentation, one in March and other in May, the Nawaz Sharif was not present in May Presentation where the whole operation was briefed/discussed... In March a general discussion was held.... the same discussion was held with Slain Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto..
Nevertheless, the important point is, The Prime Minister is supereme commander of the Armed Forces ( as per the ammendment done by the parliment then, now i dont know if the case is same or not) so without his direct orders, The operation can never take place... Like Gen. Kiyani said, there is need of inquiry, and I believe in the same, The Inquiry commision can figure out that if Nawaz Sharif ( then prime minister) has ordered the operation or not and if NS was briefed about the operation.
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People with short memories don't even remember when hundreds of shias were being gunned down by...guess who? Wahabi terrorists. All these jihadi organizations have obviously existed since the afghan war days and Mush was the first leader (pre 9/11) who dragged all the mullahs together and told them to stop the sectarianism. Mush may have erred in Kargil, but he learned his lesson quickly, unlike the Nawaz and Imrans of this world who continue to parrot jihadi propaganda that blame for terrorism lies on the shias, kafirs, jews, hindus, americans etc.
Along with these religious extremists ( who were killing people in name of religion) there is another group who kill people on ethinic grounds ( does MQM comes in mind).. How did mushy tackled them? did he gave them the same treatment or he just used them for killing people for him?
Yesterday, the interview was repeated.... Gen. Said, there were two presentation, one in March and other in May, the Nawaz Sharif was not present in May Presentation where the whole operation was briefed/discussed... In March a general discussion was held.... the same discussion was held with Slain Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto..
Nevertheless, the important point is, The Prime Minister is supereme commander of the Armed Forces ( as per the ammendment done by the parliment then, now i dont know if the case is same or not) so without his direct orders, The operation can never take place... Like Gen. Kiyani said, there is need of inquiry, and I believe in the same, The Inquiry commision can figure out that if Nawaz Sharif ( then prime minister) has ordered the operation or not and if NS was briefed about the operation.
There was a follow up program in Bolta Pakistan on General Kiyani's interview in which Raja Zafarulhaq and General Majeed Malik were online....they made some startling revelations....the salient features of the information provided by both the gentlemen were as follows:
1) The operation started in February 1999 before the Indian forces could take their yearly positions on Kargil mountains, solely on the initiative of General Musharraf and General Mehmood, without disclosing to the prime minister, corps commanders, or heads of Pakistani Navy and Airforce...
2) Briefing took place on May 17th where everyone was taken by surprise....besides these two gentlemen, then foreign minister Sartaj Aziz was also present....General Musharraf was critisized by everyone in the meeting and was asked why he took such an initiative...and the reply from the General was it was done to bring the Kashmir cause in to limelight...General offered to retreat his forces if the civilian government wanted...
3) The cilvilian government felt at that time that the blame was being shifted to them....by the General....and they asked the General not to retreat before the government could negotiate with the Indian government...
Whatever happened after that is an open secret...
Question is whatever happened why General Musharraf is opposing an enquiry of the incident...there are serious allegations on him....nobody is saying he should be punished without an enquiry....but it is only fair to demand an impartial enquiry commission to fix the responsibility of this ugly episode, where there was a considerable loss of life...and whoever is responsible should be taken to task...
I agree with Spock that Nawaz Sharif is equally to be blamed for not only his failure in keeping his COAS in a sane frame of mind....but also his appointment of such an incompetent person as a COAS....I think he should be punished equally if the enquiry finds COAS Musharraf behaved in the manner as being alleged by all these gentlemen....
Question is whatever happened why General Musharraf is opposing an enquiry of the incident...there are serious allegations on him....nobody is saying he should be punished without an enquiry....but it is only fair to demand an impartial enquiry commission to fix the responsibility of this ugly episode, where there was a considerable loss of life...and whoever is responsible should be taken to task...
Agreed,
lets assume, ( being a mush ally) Gen Kayani has been bought by NS, and other generals were also available for sale....
Mush should not miss this chance and set an commission to investigate the issue and bring the solid proves against NS and Gen. Kayani...
I don't know y mushy do not want to avail this chance to humilate NS and destroy his ever growing popularity...
It appears Musharraf is also fastly loosing any remaining support here on GS. A handful of supporters now! Its time for me to become lota as well!:halo:
hahaha…in favour or against Musharraf…as far as I remember you never appreciated any illegal act of Musharraf…and never advocated a lost cause…like some people here at the forum advocate..
Musharraf is the legal President of the country…just like 2+2=5…
People with short memories don't even remember when hundreds of shias were being gunned down by...guess who? Wahabi terrorists. All these jihadi organizations have obviously existed since the afghan war days and Mush was the first leader (pre 9/11) who dragged all the mullahs together and told them to stop the sectarianism. Mush may have erred in Kargil, but he learned his lesson quickly, unlike the Nawaz and Imrans of this world who continue to parrot jihadi propaganda that blame for terrorism lies on the shias, kafirs, jews, hindus, americans etc.
This is called "half-hearted step/operation", even if he "learned" (depends on how many calls he got at 2:00AM) quickly he was still stupid enough to let the same jihadi goons roam around freely and in the process provided fuel (more fighters) to the fire (Taliban/Alqaida).