*Alright, so you were mocking those who thought that there is an Ummah… let me ask you: *
Not mocking..proving that there is no real ummah out there
*A when has Pakistan put the “ummah” ahead of its “national interests”? *
well supposedly our stance on palestine and kashmir is due to Ummah stuff. but let me ask you., could you bring some examples of other countries who have done anything for the Ummah? none right.. so why is there an expectations for Pakistan to put this vague concept ahead of its own national interests and its own people.
*B Eliminate the word Islamic when referring to Republic of Pakistan, rest assured no one would want Pakistan to put ummah first. *
applies to everyone else also, whether it was islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, or Iran etc :)
*C Every one else acts in accordance with their constitution, why not follow them then also? *
hey they may follow their constitution but that does not mean their constitution is right. take teh Saudi monarchy for example...or kuwaiti, or qatari or bahraini :) get teh drift.
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Ummah does exist, refer to my earlier post, maybe not in the form of a country but it does exist. I wonder why you are stuck with the false notion that the “ummah” consists of countries only. **
Okay then, this loose connection of individuals.. what have they really done for others? lets forget the country concept. I dont see ppl in KSA or Bahrain supporting causes in Pakistan in droves and helping the people...nice Ummah eh?
Yeah Right, give me a break.
yep it appears you need one.
*The meaning of ummah is still not clear to you it seems. There is a contradiction in your statements:
You mention that there is no ummah, and then you also mention that no country acts in the interest of the “ummah”, you are basically accepting that there is an “ummah”, but no country is acting in the interest of the ummah. *
no contradiction.. point being that we are being asked to put the interests of other countries ahead of Pakistan's interests..
now that you have admitted earlier in your post that there is no Ummah in the form of a country. I agree.. so if Pakistan puts someone else's interests ahead, they are putting teh interest of another government, another country.. not the Ummah.
*Just for clarification purposes, the import of the culture you are referring to did not take place when Taliban were governing Afghanistan, *
Just for calirification purposes, did I say that the drugs and guns came in when taleban were in power? I really dont recall saying that.
*and btw didn’t you export the drugs all over the world? Did you think it was cool? *
Did I? or did Pakistan.. :P
sure there was drug smugglers in Pakistan. but Pakistani drug smugglers were like the 7-11 versus afghanis who were like a walmart.
Although interestingly enough the drug and gun "problem" in Pakistan occured after afghanistan collapsed and landed in teh hands of its fueding bunch of warlord idiots.
The concept of Ummah does exist, if you think that only a country can represent ummah, then its your definition of ummah that is incorrect not its concept.
so Ummah exists..however I have not seen Ummah act in the interest of its ppl in Pakistan.
and I agree, it does not exist in teh form of a country, so ppl asking pakistan to put the interestds of another country first e.g. afghanistan is not putting Ummah first, but the abuse of the word Ummah to rally some ppl behind them :)
Basic point for Pakistan is to stop acting as a munafiq by calling itself an Islamic Republic but acting as secular.
Basic point for any country is to stop considering others munafiq. I would personally have no problem whatsoever if Pakistan drops the word Islamic" and just becomes the republic of Pakistan.
But rules should be the same, I do not see other countries going out of their way, risking themselves to help pakistan. and I dont see this "Ummah" at large supporting Pakistanis.