Welcome to the new world order :)
Technically Pakistan isn't at odds with International law, after all it is not a signatory to the NPT ;)
But the law of Jiss ki laathi uss ki bhains overrides NPT…
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-75-104-898/science_technology/candu/clip4
Canadians gave it to India…
An uninvited guest has joined the nuclear club, and fingers are pointing at Canada. On May 18th 1974, India detonates a 12-kiloton nuclear explosive in the Rajasthan desert. It was built using plutonium from a research reactor donated by Canada in 1956. The explosion prompts fierce criticism of Canada’s nuclear exports, and a wall of excuses from officials in both Canada and India. Canadian officials say they couldn’t stop it. India denies it was even a bomb.
I think the law must be made retro active and all countries involved must be brought to justice.
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/040124/w012432.html
Musharraf: ‘Covert’ Pakistan nuclear program may have allowed technology leak
06:36 PM EST Jan 25
Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf gestures during a news conference at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. (AP/Anja Niedringhaus)
NICOLAS B. TATRO
DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) - Pakistan’s president lifted the curtain Saturday on how his country developed its nuclear weapons program three decades ago, saying the covert nature of the system may have allowed scientists to sell nuclear secrets without detection.
** President Gen. Pervez Musharraf also said Europeans should be investigated along with Pakistani scientists who may have sold secrets abroad for “personal gain.” **
Musharraf said Pakistan is investigating whether individuals in the government knew about the security leak. Agents also are checking the bank accounts of nine scientists and administrators detained on suspicion of selling nuclear technology to Iran and other countries, an Interior Minister in Pakistan said Saturday.
“We are carrying out an in-depth investigation and . . . we will sort out everyone who is involved,” Musharraf said on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum meeting in this Alpine resort.
Speaking to reporters at a breakfast meeting, Musharraf said Pakistan’s secret program to develop a nuclear weapon was started about 30 years ago, after neighbouring India conducted nuclear tests, and that scientists were given “freedom of action” to develop the technology.
“Covert meant scientists moved around with full autonomy in a secretive manner,” he said, adding that the program “could succeed only if there was total autonomy and nobody knew. That is how it continued.”
“Now, if there was some individual or individuals, unscrupulous, if they were for personal gain selling national assets . . . it was possible because it was not open, it was not under strategic check and controls. That is why it was possible,” he added.
He said those who might have leaked secrets were “anti-state elements” who acted against government policy.
The investigation began after Iran disclosed names of people who provided them with nuclear technology, and they included Pakistani scientists, Musharraf said.
** “I accept that,” he said, adding that he would like to see European countries and scientists investigated for their involvement, as well. **
Musharraf, Pakistan’s top general who seized power in a bloodless 1999 coup, said that only the European countries have the sophisticated metallurgy necessary to produce fissile materials required for nuclear weapons.
“There are European countries involved in the refining and producing. It is high-class metallurgy. Where is it available? In Europe. So why is no one talking about it?” he asked.
The president said an investigation would reveal any government involvement, and “the possibility of individuals having been involved is there.”
He said the country’s nuclear weapons are now under strict government control and could not be seized even if he were killed.
Musharraf, who survived two assassination attempts in the past month, said he had set up a national command authority that he chairs to guard the technology.
“There is very strict control and no question about it falling into anyone’s hands,” he told reporters.
Musharraf said after the meeting: “The security of all of this is a military responsibility. As long as the military of Pakistan remains, nothing can go wrong.”
In Islamabad, the Interior Ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said investigators suspect that of the nine detainees, one scientist and one other person did something for personal gain. He would give no names or further details.
For years, Pakistan has scoffed at reports that its scientists might have been involved in proliferation.
But the country started hedging in December, saying individuals motivated by ambition or greed may have sold secrets, after UN inspections of Iranian nuclear facilities showed that “Pakistani-linked individuals” had acted as “intermediaries and black marketeers.”
Pakistani scientists were later implicated in a scheme to sell high-tech centrifuge technology to Libya and also have been named in probes into North Korea’s nuclear program.
The nine scientists and administrators have been detained for what Pakistan calls “debriefings.” Most have not been released, relatives say, and no formal appearances or charges have been made in court.
© The Canadian Press, 2004
So Musharraf is going ahead with a policy of "aggression is the best defense"? Dicey.. but interesting. Lets see how it plays out.
Says who, Gura mamu? Osama this Osama that, where is Osama? WMD this WMD that, where is WMD? Taliban gone, Taliban dead, Taliban are back? Everyone supported the United States on all of these claims, including the leaders of Pakistan, though what do we see now days?
Do you watch wrestling? This is just like wrestling, we know its all play, though we still watch and cheer for our favorite wrestlers.
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It's increasing obvious that *someone, or some people, placed Pakistan in danger of international sanctions by sharing nuclear knowledge with other countries. As distasteful as it is, everyone with detailed access to these secrets is a suspect and thus liable to investigation.
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Compare the two assertions:
Pakistan’s nuclear establishment is secure. Pakistan’s nuclear assets are tightly under military control. Individuals in nuclear establishment are monitored carefully and cannot be susceptible to extremism
“Rogue” Pakistani scientists were alone responsible for the unfortunate proliferation to Iran and perhaps to some other nations. There was no involvement of the army or the government
If I was a scientist thinking of contributing to Pakistan’s future, I’l seriously think about the above.
This is becoming a big joke... AQ Khan is really pissed, and he said that if he is to be charged for doing something wrong, then Musharraf himself and all the Generals are guilty too. This is not the sort of treatment a national hero should get.
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Says who, Gura mamu? Osama this Osama that, where is Osama? WMD this WMD that, where is WMD? Taliban gone, Taliban dead, Taliban are back? Everyone supported the United States on all of these claims, including the leaders of Pakistan, though what do we see now days?
Do you watch wrestling? This is just like wrestling, we know its all play, though we still watch and cheer for our favorite wrestlers.
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Bush used Pakistan just like he will use anything and anybody to serve his own ends. His own, not even America as country. All politicians are same in all countries. Pack of these people first to do MP duty instead of citizens.
Spock,
There are reports that the daughter of Dr.Qadeer recently visited whim and has left Pakistan with a stack of incriminating documents so that whoever authorized these alleged transfers can be exposed if Dr.Qadeer is hassled too much.
I hope Gen.Musharraf doesn't try to finesse this too much. If people are guilty of something, then punish not just the scientists, but the Mirza Aslam Begs of the world. The talk of Dubai financial dealings and real estate is laughable.
If you want to talk shady deals, then go to your nearest DHA property :D
There is no gratitude in Pakistan today.
I don’t like when Sheikh Rashid Ahmed speaks … maybe cos I know his past a little too well. I guess all Rawalpindians do ..
From Yahoo News Pakistan: Nuke Scientists Leaked Secrets
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan’s government on Monday made its clearest public statement yet that scientists of its secretive nuclear weapons program leaked technology and would face legal action.
The government said its two-month probe into allegations of nuclear technology proliferation to Iran and Libya was near completion.
“One or two people acted in an irresponsible manner for personal profit. Money is involved in the matter. I am not naming any scientist,” Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed told a news conference in the capital, Islamabad.
Ahmed, the top government spokesman, made the comments amid fevered speculation that leading scientists will face prosecution.
Pakistan began its probe into its nuclear program and possible proliferation to Iran in late November after admissions made by Tehran to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations (news - web sites)’ nuclear watchdog. Allegations also have surfaced that Pakistani technology spread to Libya and North Korea (news - web sites) as well.
Pakistan’s government denies it authorized any transfers of weapons technology to other countries, but says individuals may have done so for their own profit.
Ahmed said three scientists and four security officials of the Khan Research Laboratories were still detained and that questioning would wind up within days.
Media reports have identified the key suspects as the lab’s former director-general Dr. Mohammed Farooq, held for nearly two months, and the lab’s founder, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, long regarded as a national hero.
Khan has not been detained, but an acquaintance has said he is confined to Islamabad and has been questioned many times. Ahmed said Monday that Khan wasn’t under any restrictions.
Investigators are tracking the bank accounts of some scientists, and a Pakistani newspaper report Sunday said they had found accounts of two scientists with millions of U.S. dollars in transactions tied to the sale of nuclear technology to Iran. The report did not name the scientists.
Speaking to reporters in the southern city of Karachi on Monday, Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayyat promised legal action against anyone involved in proliferation, saying, “no one will be spared at any level.”
“We will take legal action against them … so that it becomes an example for others and no patriotic Pakistani should even think of selling out Pakistan,” Hayyat said.
He refused to release the names of scientists whose bank accounts are being examined.
The prospect of nuclear scientists being prosecuted has sparked isolated protests by Islamic hard-liners in Pakistan, who accuse President Gen. Pervez Musharraf of caving in to the United States by leveling accusations against scientists who helped produce the Muslim world’s first nuclear bomb as a deterrent against nuclear-armed rival India.
On Monday, dozens of supporters of the opposition coalition Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal and relatives of detained scientists rallied outside Parliament in Islamabad, chanting, “Go Musharraf Go!”
Ahmed said the probe would not compromise Pakistan’s right to a nuclear deterrent against India.
“For national security, we are committed to defend our national assets at every cost,” he said. “In this, there is no flexibility in our policy.”
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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
Says who, Gura mamu? Osama this Osama that, where is Osama? WMD this WMD that, where is WMD? Taliban gone, Taliban dead, Taliban are back? Everyone supported the United States on all of these claims, including the leaders of Pakistan, though what do we see now days?
Do you watch wrestling? This is just like wrestling, we know its all play, though we still watch and cheer for our favorite wrestlers.
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SO do you feel that any claims that Pakistanis have been leaking nuclear secrets to other countries should automatically be discarded without a full, thorough investigation?
This is just another eye-opener for the citizens of Pakistan how its cheap chiefs will shut down/hunt anything instructed by the masters. US is the God of Pakistani govt., they will do whatever they are told. I feel for the poor scientists caught in between.
^^ not so poor now as is alleged :)
^ right on, unless they sold it for some cost plus basis rather than market based.
For all those who believe that theese scientists "sold" secrets without high level Army approval, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I have to sell...
he he he! Ok I’ll buy it but you have to deliver it. Name your price FOB or COD!
for all those who believe that the secrets were sold officially with full government approval, they can just catch teh first bus to shikarpur
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for all those who believe that the secrets were sold officially with full government approval, they can just catch teh first bus to shikarpur
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I'll bet that if these secrets were sold, GEn.Aslam Beg had a big hand in it.
In any case, I'll bet that a few army higher ups knew about the deal, if it happened.
There is NO WAY just scientists could sell nuclear tech like roadside Naan-cholay seller.
we're talking about selling information or know-how.. u don't even need a briefcase to transport that..
but yes, it is inconceivable that they met foreign nationals without the ISI knowing anything about it.. all scientists (at times even their famlies) are monitored..