I would agree with many of you that it's too early to tell how good Patel would be for India...
All credit goes to Munaf for his superb performance on debut but that doesn't make him a contender better than M. Asif. M.Asif on his debut match against Aus was sloppy and crappy. But given the chance and nurture by Woolmer and his own hardwork, he is doing the best for Pakistan. I am really glad that India finally got "a" "fast" bowler in their bowling attack. Zaheer Khan and Pathan used to bowl around 130K and above and now Pathan is downgraded to mid 120s and Zaheer around low 130Ks...
So to make a judgement that Munaf Patel is better than M. Asif, it's really too early. It's the other way around to say that India found a very good bowler in shape of Munaf Patel and let's see how he fares in the international arena.
One match doesn't make a fate of a player but it certainly gives him confindence and that's what every player on their debut look for.
Not taking anything from him, I think he got good yorkers and he seems to be a real "bright" prospect for India and goodluck to him..
Umer
As far as Asif is concerned - two things could happen to him, he could become a really effective player or could become another Mohammed Sami.
We will need to see how good both of them are against top nations in different conditions.
I hope Mohammed Asif continues hard and is given the proper guidance and will be an assett to Pakistan for future. However, one thing I am concerned about is that his new fame doesn't get to his head which often happens to desi players which could affect his performance.
Since both of them are fairly new to international game, I just wanted to open a discussion who looks better or who has been impressive at this stage in their career.
How can he become M Sami? Asif doesn't bowl 90+mph and I haven't seen/heard him going for 90+ either, he mostly stays focussed on LnL thats why he has succeeded. Sami's passion was not LnL, but mainly to bowl 90-95mph then stare at the batsmen.
I think Asif is a far better bowler than Munaf based on what Ive seen of the both of them...simply because of his ability to swing the bowl both ways...and he is very intellignet about it too...its not just random u miss I hit sort of tactics...
Patel seems to have very little in his repertoire...that is another case tht he uses it very effectively(It is like a dream come true tht an Indian fast bowler is bowling inswinging yorkers tht too at pace)...
but again i guess it is to early in their careers to judge them at this point...we need to see them more before forming an opinion abt them
One series can't be a 360 degree potential analysis. kai aaye kai gaye, with similar or far better talent. Its how they refine on Int'l level and utilize their true potential.
I will wait for two more series for both of them to comment. Atleast one out of sub-contenant against a quality side.
he's alrite, i'd rank asif a couple notches above munaf right now, cuz asif has such good line and length, and munaf's wickets weren't that impressive, couple of mistimed drives on the up and then the tail enders, seems like a slower Moh'd Sami on debut.
indian bowlers have a habit of deteriorating very quick....
zaheer khan is a good example, and pathan seems like a batsman now more than a bowler....
and frankly munaf isnt even half a bowler compared to pathan....
I sort of agree looking at the past record, its only Kapil Dev who kept the initial promise, all others just gone..
Remember Vivek Razdan, he used to be fast........ Couldn't keep his place in Delhi Ranji team after few years of India debut
Poor bowlers .... both have just started their career and u ppl start judging ..... let them play more series but most importantly let them play outside subcontinent and see how they progress and then give a verdict
Are you kidding me? I've seen both of them bowl and there is no doubt in my mind that Asif is a far far better bowler. His length and line were immaculate in Karachi and the one-dayers (well, most of them), while Patel has shown such control over line and length only in patches.
Let the two kids play for one year. We'll see who's body ois tough enough to survive international cricket. Ashish Nehra bowled at 151 in his first year of cricket, I think the NZ tour. He's been injured ever since. :D
To be honest there are hundreds of such bowlers in domestic cricket. But they will never reach the cricket team because they don’t have enough ‘contacts’ in the board or enough money to bribe selection officials.:woho:
Sri, Apologies if I may tend to disagree with you...
I dont deny the fact that politics & money does make a difference.
But do you really think guys like Irfan, Rahul or Tendulkar who belong to middle class families and lietrally no cricketing history to boast about in the family, could have made it to the team and made it big without talent.
Someone said it well, talent can spin money but its never the other way round.
Asif is definitely better at the moment.
But then as it happens with most Pakistan bowlers, either they get prone to inujuries or they lose sense ( Read Sami )... This guy tho looks good, ditto for munaf as well... But at the moment, I think I'm with asif...
N Yep, Am Indian... lol
By the way, how about Razzaq, I simply love that guy....
well I just saw some of munaf's wickets against england and i have found him quite impressive.....nice action and he is also quick in air which is the most important thing to bowl reverse swing...i wont compare him with waqar younis right now but all i can say that the kid is really good and he has a lot of potential....