Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Confessions don’t matter in Pakistan, the police can even extract confessional statements from dogs for murdering people…
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
This is interesting. The question now is, can he back his claims with some concrete, undeniable evidence?
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
That look true , mirza was also from N Nazizmabad and killed Bahadar Shah same area
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/491783-ppp-plans-to-reopen-case-of-bhutto-s-judicial-murder-2.html#post8184999
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
The agencies have raided 9-0 and released this video - obvious something is up.
They cannot kill Altaf in London, and he will not go voluntarily.
Interesting to see what will happen.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
well we all know of police’s method full of torture to extract statements of their liking, I am pretty sure they can also make an innocent (sharif) person like altaf hussain to confess being involved in crimes if they get hold of him. You being a lawyer know this system much better than the rest of us.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Legally do statements in duress matter?
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Legally speaking NO unless he can provide credible evidence but hey its Pakistan. You never know if someone still want to use Altaf Bhai or not. Altaf bhai’s fate depends on that. Even look at the case by Rangers, that will not stand in court for more than couple of proceedings. Altaf bhai’s lawyer can easily debate that he meant “k yee loog retire ho jaeen gai”
This is a stupid case just to pressurize Altaf bhai. I am sure they could have registered more solid and tight cases if they wanted.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
According to evidence act , any statement or confession of an arrested accused can not be used as an evidence against him/her but only that part of a such statement can be used as evidence which leads to any recovery
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Errr no!
All he needs to do is to repeat his confession in front of the Magistrate, and only then his confession will hold any legal weight. His confession itself is a piece of evidence! Hence the decision to postpone his execution in order to make the most of his confession in legal terms.
The onus is not on him to provide any ‘credible evidence’. He’s just confessing and giving as much information as he possibly can about some of serious crimes he had committed along with the help of others. It is part of police, prosecution and other investigating agencies to utilise his confession to help find credible evidence against Altaf Hussain, and present it in front of the court. This is how the legal system works!
I think most people are quite ignorant about the fact how seriously inclusive confessions/witness statements/testimonies are taken in the real court rooms. They may not be the sole criteria to prosecute anyone, but they are still an integral part of police investigation and prosecution.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Confession are limited to your acts when you are confessing about someone else ordering it, you need evidence and/or witnesses. These confessions can never be the sole criteria to put anyone to serious trial.
I have seen many confessions thrown out of the court by courts.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Nope. You said his confession holds no legal weight which is totally incorrect. If he repeats his confession in front of the Magistrate, his confession will become legally acceptable and relevant, and would be used by the Prosecution. This is a fact! After that whether his confession alone is enough to prosecute Altaf Hussain or not is a completely different matter. So let’s not jump the gun.
However, you are correct and in agreement with me on one thing. I said in my last post that confessions are not the sole criteria to prosecute anyone if the police finds no evidence to support the confession in question. Remember it is the job of police and the law enforcement agencies to use confession as gateway to launch complex investigation in order find more evidence, and present it to the court. It is not the job of the victim or a prisoner who had been in jail for years! These people can only give useful information.
I can give you hundreds of cases due to the nature of the confession alone, police had launched massive and absolutely thorough investigations on the basis of essential intelligence and highly sensitive inside information provided by the whistle-blowers. This is how legal system works!
I can tell you that solely on the basis of Salaut Mirza’s confession, Police can actually justify getting a search warrant againt all those high profile names he would mention! Considering how seriously these things are taken in the legal world, I find it ridiculous to see people being fashionably or habitually cynical by discrediting and dismissing such serious aspect of legal investigation by spreading false information.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Let me tell you a real inside story that I know:
4-5 years ago, in some London police station, a teenager turns up and says, I need help. I’m part of this gang involved in selling and buying drugs along with various other criminal activities, this is where the gang members I know are based. This is what these people do and this is what they make me do. That’s all he knew and that’s all he could say.
Now, imagine if he’d said all this on a Pakistani police station? I can bet my month’s salary that some stupid police officer would’ve told him that kid to go home, we don’t know what you are talking about, bring some credible evidence against this dangerous gang you want to leave or you are just lying - don’t make us call the gang members to tell them that you are here grassing on them.
However, fortunately he was at Metropolitan Police station. So what the Met police did, they took his statement. It took them days and various officers from different levels to interview him in order to get as much information recorded as possible. And on the basis of his confession and whatever little information and clues he could provide, the Metropolitan police launched a four years long investigation to get the entire gang behind the bars! They were only able to pitch a crackdown on the whole network based on just little information provided about the activities that goes on just one particular address.
Same is the case why all the pedophiles in their 70s and 80s are getting arrested now, because their victims are now going to police stations to give their statements! Those statements are helping police to launch massive investigations and collect evidence. I was in Sunningdale when Sir Cliff Richard house was searched and helicopter was hovering on his mansion for hours. A normal search warrant exercise looked more like a raid.
But it’s interesting to think, the victims of sexual abuse who are in their 30s or 40 now, what possible evidence can they provide against 70/80 year old men who abused them when they were only teens or pre teens and that too two/three or even four decades ago when technology was not as advanced and widely used as it is now? Yet why these 70/80 year old child molesters are still being prosecuted in 2015 for the crimes they had committed in the dark ages? How?
So the law enforcement agencies are supposed to be or the legal system is lot more complex, sensitive and supportive than you may think. Witness statements and confessions hold monumental legal value. It is unfortunate how in Pakistan we have this rotten culture where the victim or the weak is required to do police’s job and present ‘solid evidence’ even for serious crimes.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Same thing happened after Dr. Imran farooq’s murder. Scotland yard asked everyone to share wutever information regarding the crime they have. MQM specifically directed its hundreds of sympathizers/workers on asylum in UK to call them and give different fake stories and the point was to confuse them and distract enough so that the attention get diverted from AH. It could be one of the reasons its investigation went nowhere.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Seriously, your friend? Isnt he the same guy who was notoriously famous for his extreme torture techniques, one of them called “cheera” where he used to destroy the manhood of suspects?? I heard he especially tried cheera on most of MQM workers.
Btw, i’m originally from North Nazimabad too 
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
I really want to debunk or rather challenge this whole mentality of asking victim or the weak to provide ‘solid evidence’. It’s pathetic to see how from rigging to rape, it is always the victim that needs to provide proper documented evidence or ‘proof’ for the court room. Makes you wonder what exactly is the role of police and law enforcement agencies in Pakistan?
So let’s have an educational debate.
Why is it police or investigation agencies’ job to collect credible evidence, not common man’s:
- The Police has the right to search your house to collect solid evidence
- The Police has the right to confiscate your phone/laptop and other electronic devices to collect solid evidence
- The police has the right and the permitted access to gather personal information and track - - your activities through your bank, travel and from various other databases
- The police has the right to put you under surveillance to collect solid evidence
- The police has to right to interview all the people you may possibly know to collect solid information
- The police has the right to do forensic identification to collect solid evidence
- The police has the right to interview you to collect solid evidence
I can go on and on. But some might get the idea why an avrage joe can only present so much documented ‘evidence’ because he has none of the rights mentioned above. Hopefully it might enable some people to understand that why it is police and investigation bureaus job to collect solid evidence, and not common man’s. If every common man was allowed to break into someone’s house, seal it for a whole to collect ‘solid evidence’, we wouldn’t need such thing as law enforcement agencies.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Killed KESC chief on Altaf Hussain’s orders, Saulat Mirza claims - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
KARACHI/ISLAMABAD: Saulat Mirza, in a video statement aired on Geo News, hurled startling allegations on Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and its top leadership, just a few hours before his execution was scheduled to take place on Thursday at 5:30AM.
Mirza’s execution has now been postponed for 72 hours.
Mirza said he was an MQM worker and received direct orders from MQM leader Babar Ghauri to assassinate KESC chief Shahid Hamid.
“I was summoned at Babar Ghauri’s house where I took Altaf Hussain’s orders via telephone. Altaf Hussain would usually pass on instructions through Babar Ghauri,” alleged Saulat Mirza.
Speaking to ARY News, MQM Chief Altaf Hussain said, “Without any proof or evidence, Saulat Mirza’s statement will not have any effect on the party.”
Hussain termed the allegations a conspiracy against MQM.
Babar Ghauri speaking to Geo News dismissed Mirza’s statement as a “fable” and denied having given any order for a murder.
“This is a made up story, we are not allowed to call workers to our house and deal with them there,” he said. When asked if Saulat Mirza has never come to his house, Ghauri said “no”.
“When he [Mirza] was in North Nazimabad, I met him then as an MPA,”.
“Then he was removed from the party and I maintained no communication or relationship with him.”
Mirza,however, said workers like him were used as “tissue papers” by MQM, and were disposed off when there was no use left for the party. “Other workers should take a lesson from my ending,” said Mirza. “Criminals in the party would get protection under Governor Sindh,” he claimed.
Meanwhile Sindh Governor’s spokesperson has stated that Dr. Ishratul Ibad has never supported any accused or criminal.
Saulat went on to say that workers in the MQM who gained popularity among the public are eventually sidelined.
“Mustafa Kamal was humiliated and then sidelined from the party because he had grown popular and Azeem Tariq was murdered for the same reason,” Mirza said.
“I have no vested interest in making these allegations at this hour. I just want to leave a message for those who wish to join, or are part of political organisations, to learn from my mistakes,” said the death-row inmate.
Also read: A death cell for a triple murderer
Meanwhile, Machh Jail Deputy Superintendent Sikandar Kakar while talking to DawnNews confirmed that they have received orders to postpone the hanging of Saulat Mirza for three days.
Mirza was found guilty of murdering the then managing director (MD) of Karachi Electric Supply Corporation (KESC), now K-electric, Malik Shahid Hamid, his driver Ashraf Brohi, and his guard Khan Akbar outside Hamid’s residence in DHA on July 5, 1997.
Previously a resident of Block J in North Nazimabad, Karachi, Saulat was his parents’ fourth child.
Having received his intermediate education from Pakistan Shipowners’ College in Karachi, he became active in student politics and joined the All Pakistan Mohajir Students Organisation (APMSO), the students’ wing of MQM, then an acronym for Mohajir Qaumi Movement.
His name first appeared on intelligence and security agencies’ radar in 1994, after the killing of two US diplomats at Karachi’s Shahrah-i-Faisal and murder of four workers of an American oil company, Union Texas, near PIDC bridge.
He was believed to have been arrested from Karachi airport after his arrival from Bangkok; police confirmed his arrest at a press conference on December 11, 1998.
During that press conference, in the presence of the then Karachi DIG, Ameen Qureshi, Saulat Mirza made revelations about his involvement in the murder of scores of innocent people, including several high-profile personalities.
Mirza was initially detained by FIA immigration officials for traveling on a fake identity but was handed over to the then Station House Officer (SHO) of Gulbahar police station, Mohammad Aslam Khan (Chaudhry Aslam), who was also present at the airport on intelligence reports.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
Vid statement of Saulat Mirza’s statement:
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
End of Altaf is matter of days??? Is the feeling true that finally Karachi is going to be freed from the Mafia?
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
MQM is crying victim even in the face of Sault’s statement. Up until late last evening, their MNAs were tweeting in support of an ‘innocent man’ be hanged// he was immediately disowned afterwards.
Re: MQM’s Saulat Mirza is set to be executed on Mar. 19th - Postponed [UPDATED]
**Aap achhay zaroor ho magr ham log itnay bholay naheen
**There was no report of any serious illness of Saulat Mirza till yesterday midnight
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