Mountains

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Stick to mountains! :p

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Another “translation” from the same site (http://www.islamicity.com/Science/iqs/sld003.htm)

"Do the unbelievers not realize that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that We exploded into existence? And from water we made all living things. Would they believe? [Quran 21:30]

The same verse, but with more accurate translations…

Quran 21:30
YUSUFALI: Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
PICKTHAL: Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
SHAKIR: Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?

So is this verse believed to be referring to the Big Bang theory?

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No clue…

But if you ask my personal opinion (which shouldn’t be taken seriously) is that it’s a metaphorical number…

The whole Hadith relates to the Jews having 71 sects, the Christians 72 and the Muslims having having 73…

It’s not the exact number that it pertains to but the fitna and divisions that will happen in later generations with various interpretations of Islam…

That is precisely why Allah :swt: reminded us again and again in the Quran to grasp the rope of Allah :swt:…What is that rope? It is Islam…

And what is Islam? It is following the Quran and the Sunnah…

And what is following the Quran and Sunnah? It is to throw in the garbage anything pertaining to Islam that is not in these two…

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But even with the Christians, new sects are forming all the time. Unless that 72 was metaphorical too?

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The Hadith does mention sects already created…Who knows?

But the basic idea was, that 73 will be created and that only 1 will enter Jannah…

When asked which one, the Holy Prophet :saw: replied, the one upon which me and my companions are…

So, basically it’s a warning to reject innovations and to simply follow the Quran and Sunnah…Nothing more, nothing less because that is what the Companions :razi2: did…

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Well that would make sense. Christianity was very splintered at that time and the preceding centuries, there were a lot of dissent on the nature of Christianity particularly on the fringes of the Roman Empire.

A pic i took today when i went to
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yes, thats stating the start of time/big-bang.
another verse that i recall points to the motion of stars (stars were considered stationary until the 19th century i think or 18th).

another verse indicates (big bang) by saying that the universe is expanding.
Galaxies passing through each other without colliding, etc…

Here is a video on scientific facts stated in quran 1400+ years ago and proven recently:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8552135092079886288&q=loose+change

more videos can be found at:
http://www.harunyahya.com/html/m_video_index.htm

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Thanks for the links. I don't have time to sit and watch the whole thing (plus I can't stand the guys accent lol), but this video reminds me of these series of films I watched once, called "Architects in Nature". It points out a lot of amazing aspects of nature that are proof of there being a divine force.

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May be you are trying to say that the book was written by God who alone had the knowledge of all that. Who built the Pyramids and why? Do you think God built those Pyramids, Cos today we don't have the technology to build something like that , hell we dont even know the purpose of those buildings and when exactly they were built. long before Quran, Greeks have done enough research on things we only re-discovring now. If you go to Greece you can still see a phrase above the main entrance of tomb of Atistotle say "know yourself if you want to know God". there is surprisingly a same phrase in Quran. Aristotle died even before Christ. So, it was all there before Quran.

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so did the greek knew about:
1- stages of embryo development
2- the shape of earth - stupid greeks and the rest of the world thought it was flat until 600 years ago.
3- about tectonic plates
4- about Iron coming from asteroids/comets
5- about Galaxies not colliding when passing through each other
6- about big bang
7- about Sperm being responsible for Sex of baby.
8- about 7 layers of Atmostphere
9- about Moon reflecting the light
....I can go for days with the list, but you will never be able to prove that Quran is not the Word of God.

Gather all the help you want, as many people as you want - but you will surely fail.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT QURAN IS NOT WORD OF GOD, THEN TAKE THIS CHALLENGE.

-> do not try to go Off-topic. as you did with the last post. Provide proof.
Let me know when will you be able to give evidence that Quran is not the Word of God.

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i believe u r not a muslim…
but me, have been a muslim from birth, and after 28 years of my life, not once have i read in Quran a verse even close in meaning to “know yourself if you want to know God”…

now if u wish to carry on with ur habit of baseless lying and false reporting, then do so…

but if u wish to have urself known as a reputable debater, find me the verse which u talk of here…
and if u cant, stop posting nonsense here…

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In one verse, we are informed that mountains are not motionless as they seem, but are in constant motion.
**You see the mountains you reckoned to be solid going past like clouds. (Qur’an, 27:88)
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This motion of mountains is caused by the movement of the Earth’s crust that they are located on. The Earth’s crust “floats” over the mantle layer, which is denser. It was at the beginning of the 20th century when, for the first time in history, a German scientist by the name of Alfred Wegener proposed that the continents of the Earth had been attached together when it first formed, but then drifted in different directions, and thus separated as they moved away from each other.
Geologists understood that Wegener was right only in the 1980s, 50 years after his death. As Wegener pointed out in an article published in 1915, the land masses on the Earth were joined together about 500 million years ago, and this large mass, called Pangaea, was located in the South Pole.
Approximately 180 million years ago, Pangaea divided into two parts, which drifted in different directions. One of these giant continents was Gondwana, which included Africa, Australia, Antarctica and India. The second one was Laurasia, which included Europe, North America and Asia, except for India. Over the next 150 million years following this separation, Gondwana and Laurasia divided into smaller parts.
These continents, that emerged after the split of Pangaea, have been constantly moving on the Earth’s surface at a rate of several centimetres per year, and in the meantime changing the sea to land ratios of the Earth.

more at: http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_26.html

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Embryology in Quran: There is no embryological science presented in the Quran, which was not known at the time of 6th or 7th century period. In fact, most of the embryological science described in Quran was known to this world well before the time of Quranic compilation. Quranic description very well fits the embryological descriptions of Hippocrates, Aristotle and Galenic (from 5th century B.C. to 4th century A.D.) period. It is irrelevant to ask how Muhammad could have known or found this knowledge. But it is important to note that this much of embryological knowledge was available/prevailing at that time of the world. Most importantly, embryological knowledge presented in the Quran,and ancient Greeks (Hippocrates, Aristotle) and Galenic period was scientifically incorrect compared to the modern scientific knowledge. Quite obviously, had there been this knowledge of embryology came from divine source, there could be no error fond in them today or even after millions of years.

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^^
Following are the links that explain embryology in Quran:
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_07.php#9
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_07.php#8
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_08.php#1
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_08.php#2
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_08.php#3
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_08.php#4
http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_08.php#5

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In the following verses, Quran claims that mountains were set on the earth so that the earth never can shake when human being dwelt in it. *
*(Quran-16:15): **And he has cast the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you…

(Quran- 21:31): And We have set on earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them

(Quran-31:10): **He created the heavens without supports that you can see, and has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you.
It is clearly understood that Quranic author did no know about the geological reasoning for existence of mountains. He believed that this Earth is like flat platform where mankind resides. He also saw that mountains are huge and heavy which have been placed on the earth surface like paper-weights or paper stone! So, He (Allah) thought mountains actually prevent Shaking (Earthquake) of the earth. Fact is, this particular reasoning for existence of mountains is a direct contradiction with modern geological knowledge.
Ancient people viewed mountains as pegs. This is just stupid and utter ignorance about the very creation of mountain. Mountains have pegged the earth with what? We all know why how and where a peg is being used. Pegs are normally used to fix something against a firm support. We hang pictures/portrait in our drawing room using pegs with the wall. Tents are fixed using pegs with the ground so that they stand firm and so on. **But mountains pegged the earth with what object? Ancient people thought in the similar way, Omnipotent God created mountain to fix the earth from shaking/moving/rotating. Thats why all in their scriptures mountains are described as pegs. Hindu scripture also have the same myth. Here is what RIK VEDA(Hindu Scripture) told many thousand years before generating Quran on earth.
"Sabita made this Earth fixed by different devices (like hills and mountains) and sustains sky without pillars so that it does not move"