Re: More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in Egypt!
Really, you KNOW this… What else do you KNOW!
LOL…No one is blaming the West, but they are the ones controling the Egyptian Army! 
Your a piece of work.
Re: More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in Egypt!
More than 50 people were killed in last 2 days by Islamists bombings across Pakistan. I did not see you condemning it (unless I missed it). As for Egypt, most of us condemn the military coup that ousted Morsi and subsequent violence. I think it was a mistake, and they should let Morsi come back complete his term in the office. In a democracy (something you're not fond of) a destiny of a nation must be in hands of its people.
2000 people was slaughtered in the month of Ramadan by forces of Bashar Assad and his secular party the one you now support where was your commentary??
This topic is about Egypt and the military forces killing many people for no reason but to protest, i assume you know about the concept of sticking to the topic.
Just in case you forgot here's title of thread again:
More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in EGYPT!
regarding you last point, democracy had its chance in numerous countries in the muslim world and shown to be failure. Many times the results have been cancelled when the islamic orientated parties won.
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In the interest of balance where people killed under the Morsi regime?
I vaguely remember reports of minorities and the opposition being targeted.
Re: More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in Egypt!
In the interest of balance where people killed under the Morsi regime? I vaguely remember reports of minorities and the opposition being targeted.
Very small numbers died in mob violence, which could never be directly traced to the state. Under Morsi the army was never accused of executing protestors.
There were never any massacres on the scale of that has been going on since Morsi was overthrown.
Re: More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in Egypt!
2000 people was slaughtered in the month of Ramadan by forces of Bashar Assad and his secular party the one you now support where was your commentary??
This topic is about Egypt and the military forces killing many people for no reason but to protest, i assume you know about the concept of sticking to the topic.
Just in case you forgot here's title of thread again:
More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in EGYPT!
regarding you last point, democracy had its chance in numerous countries in the muslim world and shown to be failure. Many times the results have been cancelled when the islamic orientated parties won.
Secular secular secular.
Assad is an authoritarian dictator. Its not secularism that's the issue, its the fact that he is a DICTATOR!
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^truth hurts ooooch
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the United states government funds the Egyptian army by default controlling it. The United states government is not the whole western world, wake up!
Re: More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in Egypt!
stop acting dumb which we know you expert at, the United states government funds the Egyptian army by default controlling it. The United states government is not the whole western world, wake up!
You would know all about acting dumb wouldn't you. REALLY! America isnt the entire Western World! That's shocking!
Just because they have bankrolled the Army and Egypt as a whole, does not mean the US controls the Egyptians. Its a fantasy concocted by people like you, because the paranoid conspiratorial psyche demands that there be a hidden American hand behnd everything from the Arab spring to Arab indigestion...
The degree of influence the Americans have over the Egyptians which you believe they have, is based on nothing but conjecture. Involving America in some mass conspiracy to overthrow Morsi seems like a very convenient way of explaining away what happened there, but hardly takes account of what the Egyptians say of Morsi themselves, or why they claim he was overthrown. America didn't force those people out on the streets, Morsi himself did that. Why blame anyone other then Morsi for his own failure?
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^truth hurts ooooch
My god your slow...
Re: More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in Egypt!
Secular secular secular.
Assad is an authoritarian dictator. Its not secularism that's the issue, its the fact that he is a DICTATOR! You people wallow in stupidity...
Secularism is to take some of the blame here ... Secularism may be able to "on paper" deal with the fact that power is not slanted in any given religious direction, but on the other hand it can make up what is or is not moral as it chooses.
The fact that is becoming evident is that armies are secular in the Muslim world. The common element between the support of the West with countries in the East is not along the lines of most democratic ... but rather along the lines of "most secular".
They will support secularism over democracy, democracy over dictatorship - likewise the socialists will favour secularism over socialism and socialism over dictatorship. Then there is much lower struggle of socialism vs democracy.
Muslim regimes may be staunchly conservative for their own populous as long as they are obedient to the West. So long as resources are sold to them they are kept happy too ... So the element that trumps them all is Capitalism and Free Trade. You put a block in their intent for Free Trade - for your resources then you are not looking in their direction.
This precedence order explains the nature of the support and apparent strangeness in the world.
Assad knows that his position in the world view aggregates as "neutral" he is neither supported nor opposed and is getting away with the atrocities. Egypt's army are essential allies for the West.
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I think Morsi should have been allowed to complete his tenure. In case of his failure he would have been rejected in the next polls in any case, the double standards of the Western world towards Islamist regimes is only cementing their beliefs that democracy isn't for them (which is not good).
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Secularism is to take some of the blame here ... Secularism may be able to "on paper" deal with the fact that power is not slanted in any given religious direction, but on the other hand it can make up what is or is not moral as it chooses.
The fact that is becoming evident is that armies are secular in the Muslim world. The common element between the support of the West with countries in the East is not along the lines of most democratic ... but rather along the lines of "most secular".
They will support secularism over democracy, democracy over dictatorship - likewise the socialists will favour secularism over socialism and socialism over dictatorship. Then there is much lower struggle of socialism vs democracy.
Muslim regimes may be staunchly conservative for their own populous as long as they are obedient to the West. So long as resources are sold to them they are kept happy too ... So the element that trumps them all is Capitalism and Free Trade. You put a block in their intent for Free Trade - for your resources then you are not looking in their direction.
This precedence order explains the nature of the support and apparent strangeness in the world.
Assad knows that his position in the world view aggregates as "neutral" he is neither supported nor opposed and is getting away with the atrocities. Egypt's army are essential allies for the West.
Those under a religious disposition can just as easily manipulate and distort either willfully or otherwise, religious doctrine. So they can just as easily justify almost any barbarity, simply by way of re- interpreting given religious beliefs to suite themselves.
There have been no dearth of Muslim tyrants who have manipulated religious beliefs to suite their ends. If you ask me, that even worse. Its evil committed in religious garb.
Secularist dont just "make up" morality. Morality is inherent within all of us, humans, even animals to some degree. You dont make up what is moral, morality as it exists is what your laws are based on and are what you build upon. Im talking about inate morality, things we all understand to be moral. When you get into specifics, you begin dealing with "what if's," and at such a state, even religious doctrine most defer to reason and logic. Im sure your aware of the hadeeth concerning the Prophet and his governor to Yemen.
Armies are Secular based on what? That they deposed a person who by most accounts was as big of despot as his predecessor except with a beard and Islamic leanings? You seem to assume a little to much here. Personally, I figure if such Armies are secular, thats not an issue. After seeing what "Islamization" or whatever term you perfer has done in countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan etc, anyone with any sense would be secularist. Perhaps the Egyptian army panicked at the thought of Egypt becoming another Pakistan? Would you blame them? Had our Army and govt not indulged the religious conservative and opposed their regressive policies, we would have a much better country to call our own.
It wasnt the West that toppled Morsi. Have you forgotten the Thousands who began protesting leading up to his ouster? You seem fixated on his "Islamic" credentials, and ignore the fact that he was inept, and had policies very much reminiscent of those the Egyptians protested against during Mubarak's time. You have all decided to blame the West, but none of you has anything to say on the substantive reasons that led to his ouster, and the thousands who were protesting his policies... If Morsi had the support of the people, I dont think he would be under house arrest today, regardless of opposition from the West or anywhere else.
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The West is blamed for almost all of the Islamic worlds problems. There may be some truth in some of it but it is often greatly exaggerated and in my opinion holds the Islamic world back.
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The West is blamed for almost all of the Islamic worlds problems. There may be some truth in some of it but it is often greatly exaggerated and in my opinion holds the Islamic world back.
West is heavily involved in Islamic world. All you need to do is to keep your eyes on the news.
Re: More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in Egypt!
The West is blamed for almost all of the Islamic worlds problems. There may be some truth in some of it but it is often greatly exaggerated and in my opinion holds the Islamic world back.
well they should stop interfering then!
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West is heavily involved in Islamic world. All you need to do is to keep your eyes on the news.
Ofcourse they are involved. Everyone is involved one way or another, even Pakistan is involved in one way or another. Its a globalized world, you cant help but be involved, and the bigger you are, the bigger your involvement. The question is off the nature of that involvement. Does such "involvement" mean they are pulling all the strings? That is a claim made by many Muslims, but I dont think its claim based on much evidence, just an assumption based on bias. Most Muslims dont have any genuine insight on the nature of the relationships between the West and Muslim countries, but they assume it must be a bad one. Its always easier to blame others then to blame oneself, because looking to ourselves means we have to acknowledge certain realities which we find unpleasant.
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well they should stop interfering then!
Why do the Muslim countries allow the West to get involved ? For example, if Osama was upset with Americans being in Saudia, why did he not go and attack the Saudis for allowing the Americans in ?
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Well said med
Re: More than 136 people slaughtered by Military and its Secular supporters in Egypt!
well they should stop interfering then!
they cannot stop interfering it's the nature of colonial nations like the United States and UK before it, they will make excuse after excuse look last 50 years you have had palestine,Iraq, egypt, libya yemen, pakistan, afghanistan, somalia, algeria the list goes on and on how much death and destruction these democratic nations have done in name of what they call democracy and freedom.
they have no reason except their greed and bankrupt ideology which make them take control of nations with resources and strategic locations.
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**Why do the Muslim countries allow the West to get involved ? **For example, if Osama was upset with Americans being in Saudia, why did he not go and attack the Saudis for allowing the Americans in ?
Sometimes for personal gain and sometimes out of fear of getting attacked/invaded.