Monkeys frustration

Desperate people do desperate things.. stay tuned bushy will offer his tushy and hopefuly commit hudkushy.. with shame that is if IT has an ounce. :hehe:

P.S: read quick before mod does his/her job…

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FB12Ak01.html

The American predictions that the war in Iraq would set off a wave of democratic reform across the region have proved to be wishful thinking.

First the stick, now the US offers carrots
By Jeffrey Donovan

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration, eager for good news from the Middle East, has announced a major new effort to persuade authoritarian Arab governments to adopt political and economic reforms. The plan, the “Greater Middle East initiative,” was made public on Tuesday in a report in The Washington Post. It will be unveiled officially in June.

The new initiative, still being crafted, will call for Arab and South Asian governments to adopt major political reforms, be held accountable on human rights and introduce economic reforms, the newspaper said, citing US and European officials. As incentives for the targeted countries to cooperate, Western nations will offer to expand political engagement, increase aid, facilitate membership in the World Trade Organization and foster security arrangements, the newspaper report said.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said that the plan was loosely based on the “Helsinki Pact” signed in 1975 by 35 nations. The signatories included the United States, the Soviet Union and most European nations. Human rights became a key part of the Helsinki accords, which gave Washington leverage to speak up for dissident groups in communist Europe and to lobby for greater freedoms.

Boucher told a briefing that the Middle East appears to be better prepared for democratic progress now than the Soviet bloc was back then. “There are a number of things - elections, judicial reforms, democratic reforms, civil society growing up - a number of things that are actually going on in the region,” he said. “The goal is to see how we can support those. [With] Helsinki, sadly, other than perhaps [the] Solidarity [trade union movement in Poland], the effort in the region was not there. Now we do have an effort in this region to reform and move forward. And we want to be able to support that.”

Unlike Helsinki, however, the US administration’s initiative seeks to avoid setting up committees and structures to strictly monitor progress and issue report cards, US officials said. It also seeks to avoid “appearing to dictate” to the Islamic world, the paper said.

US officials say that they have begun talks with European allies to get their support for the plan, to be announced this June at summits of the Group of Eight nations, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the European Union. “It’s a sweeping change in the way we approach the Middle East,” a senior State Department official told the newspaper. “We hope to roll out some of the principles for reform in talks with the Europeans over the next few weeks, with specific ideas of how to support them.”

Officials suggest that incentives could include free-trade deals, such as the ones already enjoyed by Jordan and Bahrain. They also say security cooperation, along the lines of NATO’s Partnership for Peace, could be extended to Arab nations.

But critics are quick to take issue with key parts of the plan. Steven A Cook is an expert in Arab political reform with the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations. Cook told RFE/RL that he disagrees with Boucher’s assessment that the Middle East is better prepared for reform than was communist Eastern Europe.

“I would be very suspicious of reforms coming at the behest [of] Arab authoritarians. I don’t see that they have any incentive to go about doing this. And what incentive they do have is to please the United States, and that’s easily done by playing at the game of reform, establishing human rights boards that practically have little or no power,” Cook said.

As an example, Cook says that US ally Egypt recently announced it is undergoing judicial reforms. And yet, Cook says, at the same time, Egypt has just passed an emergency law that basically puts the country under martial law for the next three years.

Another critic is Ted Galen Carpenter of the Cato Institute. Carpenter says that in contrast to the Middle East, many parts of communist Europe - such as Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary - had democratic traditions before being sucked into the Soviet bloc. Therefore, it was reasonable to assume that such traditions could be revived during the Cold War.

“The differences are absolutely profound,” he said. “Most of the Central and East European countries had at least some Western democratic traditions. The countries of the Middle East have almost none. And even within the former Soviet empire we have seen highly uneven progress toward democracy.”

The Bush administration had predicted that the war in Iraq would set off a wave of democratic reform across the region, and made this a key reason for overthrowing Saddam Hussein. But Cook says that wave has not materialized, nor has the Iraq war given an impetus to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as some war supporters had hoped.

Given the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - one of the main reasons for the war - Cook says that the new plan may be tied to the Bush administration’s efforts to seek further justification for its engagement in Iraq, especially in this presidential election year. “As the weapons of mass destruction issue has not panned out the way the administration would have liked [it] to pan out, the justification of promoting democracy in the Middle East, and Iraq as a pivot for promoting democracy in the Middle East, has come to the fore as an issue,” he said. “And I certainly think this proposal is part of that, without a doubt.”

President George W Bush first hinted at a major plan to bring democracy to the Arab world in a speech at the National Endowment for Democracy last November when he announced an initiative to reward reform with trade.

Vice President Dick Cheney picked up on the theme last month at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland. “Our forward strategy for freedom commits us to support those who work and sacrifice for reform across the greater Middle East,” he said.

Copyright (c) 2004, RFE/RL Inc. Reprinted with the permission of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, 1201 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington DC 20036

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P.S: read quick before mod does his/her job............

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Abdali... I don't think there is anything wrong with the article. Its a good topic to discuss. But why did you put such an insulting title ("Monkeys frustration") to start the discussion?

I don't know what the mods will do, but here is my take. George Bush may not be our leader, and we may not even respect him, but he is a leader of his people and many of them come on this forum. Criticizing is fine, but we should use appropriate words to address world leaders - the same kinda words which we will expect our enemies to use for our leaders. Using insults just cheapens our own argument.

Right? :)

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Abdali... I don't think there is anything wrong with the article. Its a good topic to discuss. But why did you put such an insulting title ("Monkeys frustration"). George Bush may not be our leader, and we may not even respect him, but he is a leader of his people and many of them come on this forum. Criticizing is fine, but we should use appropriate words to address world leaders - the same kinda words which we will expect our enemies to use for our leaders. Right? :)
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Faisal fare enough.... But by the same token Qazzafi is also a leader of a nation and I am sure you know what Regan use to call him.. A little taste of their own medicine won't hurt a bit... what ya say....

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Faisal fare enough.... But by the same token Qazzafi is also a leader of a nation and I am sure you know what Regan use to call him.. A little taste of their own medicine won't hurt a bit... what ya say....
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I think we should take the high-way. No need to lower ourselves to the lowest denominator. It also helps maintain a higher standard of discussion. What you say? :)

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I think we should take the high-way. No need to lower ourselves to the lowest denominator. It also helps maintain a higher standard of discussion. What you say? :)
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You saying taste of their own medicine is not a good idea... I think that is the lingo they understand, they always have.. I have living proof of it.. High standard discussion only with people with some standards... What you say? :)

Abdali is a child.

Here we go again… :smack2:

See, Abdali, this is what happens when you start with a flame. The discussion just goes down the drain. Its not helpful.

Don’t worry about the yanks they have nothing to discuss except beat around the bush. All you have to do is show them the mirror or remind them of KIms or Minhs… :hehe:

Besides… I have nothing to do with this see for yourself.

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Or follow this thread…
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106621

Or talk about striking resemblance :rotfl:
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A lot of people start complaining if anyone makes deregatory comments about Musharraf or other muslim leaders. Do you think there should be a free for all here? How does this help in useful discussion?

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A lot of people start complaining if anyone makes deregatory comments about Musharraf or other muslim leaders. Do you think there should be a free for all here? How does this help in useful discussion?
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They do that on none Paki forums and ask me if I care. Here they will get on their knees and respect, or they will be shipped to Chinese or N. Korean forum for extra royal hospitality. I will provide the links. :)

Now I never said that now did I so why are you blaming me? :)

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Faisal, like I said my posts are surrounded by facts, Abdali is a child.

Faisl like I said undies IQ is same as his president.. pictues posted. :)

clowns