Mob Mentality: Ferguson

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I think white people typically don’t charge after officers.

It’s not because they’re white, it’s because they are usually a little more educated, and socioeconomic differences and such.

Go to Lyari Colony and you’ll see plenty of crime that would have put any black thugs in the US shivering. Are Lyari Colony habitants black? No, but there are a lot of socioeconomic problems that make it easy for youths to get guns in their hands and then commit crimes, right?

So you see the same thing in lower economical pockets in the US. Problem is that these pockets are often black neighborhoods.

Crime is there, and you need a police force there, and there needs to be improvement in how people are behaving in the community. That change is slow in coming, and it’s because money doesn’t get invested in these neighborhoods. Local groups and professionals (black Americans) are working in these communities, but it’s not easy to deal with the mental health problems from all the abuse in these communities that stems from low income, poor education, lack of jobs, etc.

Punishing the police teams is not going to help. Take them out of the equation and you see what happened in Ferguson. Ferguson calmed down on second day after the announcement not because all of a sudden people grew up, but because they put so many national guards and police on the ground compared to that first night.

But then you put people on the ground, and then you get accused for the menacing police pictures that made Ferguson look like a scene from Iraq.

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12 bullets after the situation had gotten so out of hand. At that point, it’s all instinct playing in when someone is charging at you. He says he kept firing and the guy kept moving, so he kept firing. If you were in the same situation you may freak out and do the same thing.

Why did brown turn around and move towards the officer? Anyone knows you don’t cooperate with the police, they will shoot at you if they perceive you to be a threat to them.

Brown’s blood was found INSIDE THE POLICE OFFICER’S car. Why would any officer PULL IN a guy into his car?

There was obviously a tussle over the gun, and pulling and pushing, and so either the officer was strong enough to pull the gun away and resulted in Brown being pulled into the car, or Brown went after the officer.

I think if the blood trail didn’t show that Brown had turned around and come at the cop, maybe we could argue that he was pulled INTO the car, but the blood trail shows that he was in aggressive not defensive mode.

It’s simple. Cooperate w/cops when pulled over and do what you’re told.

If you didn’t like your treatment, write things down, take it to a lawyer and take the cop to court instead of paying the traffic ticket/etc.

Mr. Brown did not choose to do this. He chose to fight a cop.

Has nothing to do with him being black, it was his personal choice. And the result is in front of you.

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I think you should fix your internalised racism, PCG. You just told me that a white person is more educated than anyone else.

I can’t really comment on the Lyari Colony since I don’t know anything about it, but I do know that in America, Canada, and Australia is that POC do not have the same opportunities that white people do. They are racially profiled, targeted, and then killed only for the murderer to be let go because it was in “self defense”

You have to understand that just by having a white name it’s easier to get a job. Just by having white skin you are more respected. People won’t be scared of you. If I was in the same situation as you were PCG. I’m 110% sure that the police officer would not be pointing a gun at me. You have to understand that HE was in the wrong not YOU.

Excuse me? What happened in Ferguson was the result of police brutality. There were peaceful protesters as well, but that isn’t really interesting to the media. White people looted and damaged property as well, but that isn’t really favourable to the media.

You don’t understand that by punishing the police and letting them know that this is not ok makes people change. It means that there is more training. That the police will know next time they get out of line people won’t be quiet about it.

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Please read all the links and watch the videos that have been posted on the several threads that are in this section.

The National Bar Association released a statement “questioning how the Grand Jury, considering the evidence before them, could reach the conclusion that Darren Wilson should not be indicted and tried for the shooting death of Michael Brown.”
“The National Bar Association also questions the makeup of the grand jury that consisted of nine Whites and only three African-Americans in a town comprised of sixty-seven percent African-Americans,” the group wrote in a related statement.
“Officer Wilson’s deadly use of force against an unarmed teenager still goes unanswered for in the Ferguson community. The National Bar Association wants the evidence fully weighed by a jury accurately representing a fair cross-section of Ferguson.”
The organization added that it “is deeply concerned whether a victim of excessive and/or deadly force by the hands of a police officer in St. Louis County can receive fair and equal justice,” and to that end is petitioning the Department of Justice to file charges against Darren Wilson, as well seek action to revoke Darren Wilson’s peace officer license.
The association’s president, Pamela Meanes, said that “we will not rest until Michael Brown and his family have justice.”
Attorney General Eric Holder told National Public Radio yesterday that the federal investigations “will be conducted rigorously and in a timely manner so that we can move forward as expeditiously as we can to restore trust, to rebuild understanding, and to foster cooperation between law enforcement and community members.”

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Also, even if you want to just ignore everything. At least read/watch this.
Prosecutors grossly mishandled the Darren Wilson investigation - Vox

I understand that you have more problems in your life, but you have to leave your racist mindset back where you picked it up from. It is not justifiable for a human to kill another human. It doesn’t matter if he is a police officer or priest or mulvi. It is not right. The victim should not be blamed.

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Yes, ordinary people like me or you would definitely ‘freak out’, but not a police officer! They are proficiently *trained (not sure about USA) to strike the right target to injure the subject so he is no longer a moving threat. What happened to the idea of shooting suspects in the legs or arms? Why did he keep firing 13 bullets when there was no response coming? He shoulder stopped after second or third round? The difference between a police officer and a thug is that a police officer is trained *to be responsible with his bullets, he is answerable for every bullet fired, it is his duty to cause minimum damage whereas thugs are heartless criminals who shoot mindlessly and take lives. If any pansy in uniform who claims to be so afraid of moving human beings who are clearly unmannered, then he truly shouldn’t be in the police force. After all that training and experience, you cannot use ‘I got freaked out’ card as an excuse to kill people, it’s pathetic. There are dozens of ways for police officers to get instant help if they feel their lives are in danger.

Americans should really take a step back and sincerely critique their trigger happy police force and gun culture. Spend more money on police training. It is height of hypocrisy how they have no shame in buying guns over the counter, but a 12 old black boy loses his life for playing with a fake gun.

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I remember watching videos and seeing photos of white parents proud that their child knows how to shoot with a gun. I wonder how many white children were “accidentatlly” killed?

I also find it disturbing that there are media outlets depicting this boy to be a young adult. Look at the 12 year old around you. Look at your son, nephew. Does he look like he is an adult?

Seriously, I don’t know why there aren’t many American Pakistanis posting on this thread. Do you have no opinions of what is happening in your own country?

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It is quite ironic (and so incredibly cringe worthy) to see Americans and minority groups cheering for police brutality whereas this is exactly the thing that Martin Luther King fought against. I thought he was quite popular in US, but oh well. Really, US would not have come this far had the Civil Rights leader accepted this passive nonsense that ‘oh well authorities are always right, don’t mess with them, they have the power, you don’t, so you are by default wrong’. Police brutality is one of the main issues the Civil Rights leaders tirelessly fought against. They put their lives on line to expose the thuggish nature of American police. The tables could easily turn, tomorrow, any moving Sikh man with a turban and or any Muslim woman with a hijab could be identified as walking talking nuclear bomb heading towards a sacred little shaky police officer to blow him up. Seriously, trigger happy police is dangerously problematic. It is wrong, so call it a wrong, and it is about time they do something about the gun culture in the country.

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Don’t think anything will change about the gun culture. the NRA will make sure that they don’t… as they have done so in the past. I don’t need a gun to protect myself. Why does “first world” country like America have the same mentality as oh-so-dangerous “third world” countries such as Kenya, Pakistan etc?

Funny that the countries who have stricter gun laws although they allow people to have guns have all these levels you have to go through in order to get a gun. Funny, that even though America is one of the worst offenders when it comes to school shootings they blame it on the individual and not the weapon of choice.

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White people ARE more educated, that’s the unfortunate inequality between the Caucasians and African Americans in the US, becuase of lingering effects of Jim Crow.

These are stats, not my own bias. It’s a fact, more white people go to college than blacks in the US overall, especially when you compare people who are living in places like Ferguson. If Ferguson was all college educated, you wouldn’t see all the violence you saw there. It’s not their race, it’s their education, and these are lingering effects of old Jim Crow type laws, and underfunding of urban cities where African Americans concentrate.

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We take off our shoes when we are told at the airport don’t we, even though it is ridiculous and desis get profiled at airports and anywhere really all the time.

In fact, NSA is collecting info on ALL of us, including through social media and media even like this one. To profile us, to watch us.

How is that fair? It’s not right. But we put up with it, and I personally willingly put up with it because fine if through all this you’re able to track folks falling into terrorism, then go for it. Is the NSA compiling data on white people the way they are on us? Do spies get sent into Churches and Synagogues? No, but they get sent into Masjids all the time.

World is unfair. If you have people in your community who are trouble makers, before you start complaining that the world is suspicious of Pakistan or muslims or Islam, then look at yourselves first and see what you can do to make your community better. The whole world is telling muslims to take care of their own and stop people from joining terrorism, and stop people who pervert the religion as such. Onus is on us right?

So why can’t we ask Mr Brow’s mom - Ms. Why did your son not obey the police officer when he was given numerous orders to back off? To get on the side walk. To cooperate in investigating a local crime, etc? Why is her son roaming around on the streets and going into local businesses and robbing ? Why is he not at home, watching television, and doing his HW?

You know why? Because it’s not their lifestyle in some households. Some households do not give a crap - they just birth kids, and those kids roam about, and they pick up bad habits, and their moms do NOT discipline them.

Instead, moms decide to spend time with other men, so their son ends up having two daddies to answer to.

Or there is drugs at home, or there are guns at home, or there is violence at home.

Families like Browns’ have social problems. They have economical problems. And it’s not because they’re black, it’s because they’re poor and they’re from an area where money is not being invested and no one is investing in the schooling of these kids. The local public schools in these areas are simply scary. Just outrageous and scary. Because there are mental health problems in socioeconomically depressed areas.

That’s why this isn’t a race issue. This is a community issue- what has the Ferguson community done collectively to contain their violence and educate their youth so they’re not getting in trouble? If that were being done, no police man would be coming after any guy on the street in these areas. Then if the police do not police and they are passive because they dont want to be blamed for hate crimes (result : overtown/liberty city, miami - an area that the police don’t even bother with anymore after race riots when a man was beaten up/killed by police - area is full of drugs and in shambles, and you know why? Because the police aren’t there to arrest any criminals, so criminals roam free).

We keep bullying our police officers, they will simply stop policing to avoid liability and instead of chasing a criminal they will let him get away. Well ok, maybe one criminal may be a 12 yr old kid who doesn’t end up getting killed, but the rest of them will be REAL criminals getting away with crimes. Like we saw in Ferguson the night of the court announcement. Police backed off, and the city was in fire.

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wtf. so much victim blaming when the evidence is clearly deluded.

It’s pathetic that the majority of you who commented here have some crazy notion that this is justifiable without being able to back your story up.

lol

“We keep bullying our police officers, they will simply stop policing to avoid liability and instead of chasing a criminal they will let him get away. Well ok, maybe one criminal may be a 12 yr old kid who doesn’t end up getting killed, but the rest of them will be REAL criminals getting away with crimes. Like we saw in Ferguson the night of the court announcement. Police backed off, and the city was in fire.”

Messed up.. Very happy that my partner doesn’t have such narrow minded crazy views such as yours without really understanding how society works. By the way, the police didn’t back off. I know that’s hard to believe, but you have to watch something other than Fox news.