MMA condemns actions of Islamabad madrassas

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I don’t think that government is involved in this situation in anyway. Though it is a bit confusing that why government is not doing anything to resolve this issue but IMO it is kind of a hostage situation. Like when you hijack a plane and make your demands and threaten that the government should oblige otherwise they are going to blow the plane, the hostages and themselves. It becomes a delicate and sensitive situation and a negotiated settlement is always preferred. This situation is a bit different from plane hijacking and hostage taking situation in a sense that the hostages themselves are the hijackers or hostage takers. But there number is in thousands and they are mostly women. If the government takes the action and some women and children get killed then it will have disastrous consequences for the government. That’s why government is a bit cautious and a negotiated settlement is preferred.

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Today they have threatened what everyone was fearing, SUICIDE bombing... Is it just me or Muslim terrorsit start calling for suicide attacks for just about anything that happens these days... Speeding ticket, suicide bombing, neighbors playing their music to loud, suicide bombing... You name it and the solution is suicide bombings!

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I have no problem with these guys doing suicide bombings as long as they do it in seclusion in a remote part of some desert, away from civilization, and preferably in a group, ba jamaat...

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lol.. KASH!

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Govt should call there bluff. They should be a fist of iron falling on these idiots. Oh for soviet state machinary.

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Altaf bhi isi team me hai, bhaiya jee!

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:D :D :D

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Well, I never said that the government is involved in this entire affair in any manner. All I said was that the government would be better off, should it decide to use its connections. I am sure, the agencies have well established links to such madaris or if not that, I am pretty sure they have all the information they need about these two madrassas. Such places IMHO act as recruitment centres for the sectarian outfits and also the government so that those chosen could be trained to carry out the dirty jobs on their behalf respectively. But that doesn't mean this drama is all at the government's behest.

Also I must say that the involvement of women and children has only served to make the issue more sensitive to handle. Any harsh action and the same people will cry foul that our women were mistreated.

Waisay, this is the godsend scapegoat for the government. The CJ issue has gone into the background.

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There are hundreds of women, and probably scores of children encamped in Hafsa masjid, so the government is no doubt thinking very carefully as to what "action" it should take. I am sure it is not wanting a 'Waco-style' ending to this whole thing, which would be an utter disaster for the govenment especially in the present highly charged political atmosphere. That is why I believe it is showing restraint, and probably conducting talks with these people.

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Clerics associated with the same board as Jamia Hafsa do not approve of the act.

"Karachi could have a Jamia Hafsa too’

By Fareed Farooqui

KARACHI: Clerics and scholars whose madrassas are affiliated with the same education board as Jamia Hafsa have been debating the incident in Islamabad but as one of them said “the people of Karachi have nothing to be afraid of”.

Lal Masjid is affiliated with the Wafaqul Madaris, which is a madrassa education board with members in Karachi. The largest madrassa in Karachi, Jamia Darul Uloom Islamia Allama Binori Town at Guru Mandir, is also a member of this board. “The Jamia Hafsa people made their own policy according to the Quran and Sunnah but they did not consult us,” said Qari Mohammad Iqbal, in-charge general affairs, Jamia Darul Uloom Islamia Allama Binori Town. “They should have consulted the ulema. But in any case, this is a welcome move.” Qari Iqbal added that the scholars were debating this issue but the people of Karachi had nothing to be afraid of.

Jamaat-e-Islami Ameer Karachi Dr Merajul Huda Siddiqui also backed the suggestion that the ulema should have been consulted. “In Pakistani society, if the government takes decisions against the ground realities, this will be the outcome,” he said, adding that just as the government could not enforce its writ in the tribal areas it had failed in Islamabad. “President Pervez Musharraf and his team seem to think that people are with them – if this is so then they should call upon people to rally in their support in Islamabad.”

Mufti Mohammad Usmanyar Khan, principal Darul Uloom Darul Khair (in Gulistan-e-Jauhar) and Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Samiul Haq (JUI-S), was of the opinion that if the government had enforced the Shariat beforehand, the Jamia Hafsa people would not have had to enforce it themselves. “There should not be a state within a state and religious groups and madrassas do not support this,” he said. “This was the decision of one man alone.” On the “open” sale of CDs and DVDs in Karachi, Khan said that the people in this business should think for themselves about whether this was Islamic or not.

Mufti Mohammad Yousaf Kasuri, Shaikhul Hadith, Jamia Darul Hadith Rehmania, Soldier Bazaar, also Sindh amir of the Markazi Jamiat Ahle Hadith, said that Jamia Hafsa complained about the “one woman who was spreading evil in Islamabad” but no action was taken. “If Jamia Hafsa took action on its own then, this is against Islam,” he said. “It is not alright to take the law into your own hands. But if the government does not fulfill its responsibilities there is the chance that such incidents will continue.”

Top cleric Mufti Munibur Rehman, the chairman of the Ruet-e-Hilal committee and the principal of Darul Uloom Naeemia in Federal B Area, Karachi, declined to comment on the issue in detail. “This is a matter that should be asked of the Wafaqul Madaris,” he said, while referring to the Ahle Sunnat Deobandi madrassa organization. “Handling the Jamia Hafsa incident was the government’s responsibility which is its decision.”

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\04\08\story_8-4-2007_pg7_16

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Seems sane enough. Cant they talk to there lovers in Islamabad and get them to see sense?

Else level that mosque, and a few others too.

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Cannot trust MMA neither anyone should. They are praying that someday by hook or by crook, they get into power and then use force to change everything in the country, Taliban style. For time being they would do all munafiqat they can, so that they could get trust of people.

Just read the report item from Dawn, below: You will notice that JI and JUI, both were trying to avoid direct answers and none of them parties condemned the action by Islamabad madrasa idiots. It only shows that, ‘na nigaltay hee banay na ugaltay hee banay’. They are in a fix. If they own the actions of Madrasa retards, they know it would be bad publicity. If they reject the actions it is difficult too, as they know that from inside they approve what is happening in Islamabad.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/07/top9.htm

MMA in a fix over Lal Masjid issue

By Amir Wasim

ISLAMABAD, April 6: While other opposition parties are openly condemning the administration of Lal Masjid for challenging the writ of the government by setting up Qazi courts, the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal alliance of religious parties appears to be in a fix over the issue and unclear in its stand.

“We have nothing to do with the issue,” said deputy chief of Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) Liaquat Baloch when contacted by Dawn for comments on the action taken by some clerics and students of Lal Masjid and its affiliated Madressah Hafsa.

Opposition Leader in the National Assembly and head of his own faction of the Jamiat-i-Ulema-Islam (JUI-F) Maulana Fazlur Rehman refused to talk on the issue. His mobile phone was attended by a person named Abdul Sattar who said that the Maulana would not speak on the Madressah Hafsa issue.

“If you want to talk on the Madressah Hafsa issue, the Maulana will not talk to you and he has said the same thing to several TV channels’ correspondents,” he said.

Mr Liaquat Baloch said that the setting up of Qazi courts and enforcement of Sharia in a particular area was an “independent decision” of the Lal Masjid administration and a reaction to the government’s “foolish policy” of promoting obscenity by propagating Gen Musharraf’s so-called enlightened moderation.

When asked if he condemned the decision of the Lal Masjid administration of setting up parallel courts, Mr Baloch said the MMA believed in the Constitution of Pakistan and was struggling for its enforcement. He said the government should avoid any action against Madressah Hafsa which might lead to bloodshed. He also advised the Lal Masjid administration to join the MMA’s larger struggle for the rule of constitution in the country.

Replying to a question on the presence of party MNA Mian Aslam in Lal Masjid on Friday, Mr Baloch said that he had been sent by the party after receiving a report that some Ulema were going to announce the stoning to death punishment for someone. The report, however, proved wrong when the Ulema told the MNA that they were planning to pelt the seized video CDs with stones.

Pakistan Muslim League-N (PML-N) information secretary Ahsan Iqbal told Dawn that the Lal Masjid Ulema were only following Gen Musharraf’s doctrine that one could use the power of gun to impose a particular agenda on the society. “There is no difference between what Gen Musharraf is doing and what the Lal Masjid Ulema are doing,” he said.

He said the situation reflected the crisis of governance inflicted by the seven-year rule of Gen Musharraf. During the Musharraf era, he said, the nation had witnessed a rise in ethno-nationalist militancy and religious extremism.

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Pakistan Muslim League-N (PML-N) information secretary Ahsan Iqbal told Dawn that the Lal Masjid Ulema were only following Gen Musharraf’s doctrine that one could use the power of gun to impose a particular agenda on the society. "There is no difference between what Gen Musharraf is doing and what the Lal Masjid Ulema are doing," he said.
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Wishful thinking bhai sahab. Itni aasani say peecha nahin chotay ga in say.

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Jamia Hafsa crisis damaging madrassas’ image: Fazl

Opposition leader in the National Assembly and Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUIF) central leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman said on Thursday that Jamia Hafsa crisis was a drama by seminary students which would earn a bad name for ulema and all madrassas. Speaking at a meeting of the JUIF central committee at the Frontier House, Maulana Fazl said the MMA was in contact with all religious seminaries that he said were not involved in any anti-state or anti-Islamic activities. Fazlur Rehman said the MMA was not the name of just an alliance, “rather it is a platform for people to contest the next general elections and to give honest leadership to citizens.” The opposition leader said the MMA leadership was holding dialogues and negotiations at every forum to maintain peace and law and order situation in the Frontier province.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\04\13\story_13-4-2007_pg7_21

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Why hasn't the govt. send a reference against the maulana sahib so far or send in the police to smash his building. After all they are famous for that. Hmmmmmmmmmm interesting.

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Sab salay aik hi thaali kay chatay batay hein.