Milaad in Prophet's(sallallaho alaihi wasallam) time

[Alpha1]

May Allah be praised.

This will be my last reply to this thread.
Brother Wasir, again your evidence has come from the same ulema Abdul-Khatab about whom we know we cannot trust nor can we rely upon his books (see my earlier threads).
And the other brother's insightful essay - again in summary the ulema uses Ijtihad (rational reasoning) to justify the creation of Milaad (eid-day).

None of the brothers have provided even one Hadeeth in support of making the birthday of the Nabi a day to be celibrated as part of our religion.

The person who reads this thread with a concious and open mind will know the truth.

[wasir]

First you wanted proof from Prophet's(peace be upon him and his family) when I provided that, you are not accepting it...never mind its common problem with you lot..
when don't have any answer...start beating about the bushes
These were not the only narrations, the reason to use them was that i could provide complete evidance, i have got knowledge of so many other narrations to Support Milaad
but i didn't use them caz i didn't have exact evidance, and we Sunnis are very careful while we are talking about Prophet(peace be upon him and his family)his Sehabas(radi Allah anhum). We keep our mouths shut about big personalities even any of their narrations don't match with our Sunni beliefs.We don't reject them only caz they go against us, these Buzurgs and Ulimas are still better than us.

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Originally posted by Alpha1:
**May Allah be praised.

This will be my last reply to this thread.
Brother Wasir, again your evidence has come from the same ulema Abdul-Khatab about whom we know we cannot trust nor can we rely upon his books (see my earlier threads).
And the other brother's insightful essay - again in summary the ulema uses Ijtihad (rational reasoning) to justify the creation of Milaad (eid-day).

None of the brothers have provided even one Hadeeth in support of making the birthday of the Nabi a day to be celibrated as part of our religion.

The person who reads this thread with a concious and open mind will know the truth.**
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[Shakir75]

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Originally posted by Alpha1:
**May Allah be praised.

This will be my last reply to this thread.
Brother Wasir, again your evidence has come from the same ulema Abdul-Khatab about whom we know we cannot trust nor can we rely upon his books (see my earlier threads).
And the other brother's insightful essay - again in summary the ulema uses Ijtihad (rational reasoning) to justify the creation of Milaad (eid-day).

None of the brothers have provided even one Hadeeth in support of making the birthday of the Nabi a day to be celibrated as part of our religion.

The person who reads this thread with a concious and open mind will know the truth.**
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Love of the Prophet is what differentiates the believers in the perfection of their iman. In an authentic hadith related in Bukhari and Muslim, the Prophet said: "None of you believes until he loves me more than he loves his children, his parents, and all people." In another hadith in Bukhari he said: "None of you believes until he loves me more than he loves himself" and Sayyidina `Umar said: "O Prophet, I love you more than myself."

What will Wahabies say to someone who has deep respect and love for the Prophet (PBUH). One word 'Shirk'. People who do milaad do it out of respect and love. In other words, someone who perform milaad has more faith than someone who does not believe in it.

Alpha1: If only you read what I posted yesterday on this thread, you would not say what you are saying.

You said: "And the other brother's insightful essay - again in summary the ulema uses Ijtihad (rational reasoning) to justify the creation of Milaad (eid-day)."

Brother, take a look at who are ulamas are. They are the Imams of the 4 Madhabs. They have approved of milaad. The "rational reasoning", as you put it, is from them. Not from me or just nay other guy. Do you not follow any of them? Who are we to say that it is not permitted? I don't care what a 21st century scholar says when the Imams of the MAdhabs have already agreed upon something. Milaad has also been approved by majority of todays ulama. Only people who don't like is are the Wahabies. Remember the hadith in which our Prophet (phuh) said that if the majority of the ummah agree upon something, then they are correct?

What else can I say? You can't force faith onto someone. Wasallm.

[This message has been edited by Shakir75 (edited April 26, 2001).]

[system]

salam

Brother Shakir. That Aricle was pretty insightful. Could you please provide me with the url so that i can book mark the web page from where it was taken.

wa-salam

[Shakir75]

Originally posted by Salman-:
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salam

Brother Shakir. That Aricle was pretty insightful. Could you please provide me with the url so that i can book mark the web page from where it was taken.

wa-salam

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Thank you Brother. Here is the web-site, www.sunnah.org

Wasalam.

[faisal_as_salafi]

Re: Milaad in Prophet’s(sallallaho alaihi wasallam) time

@wasir

By the way, the king you r talking about wasn’t the first one to celebrate it, he became famous due to celebrating at that huge level. Also check the comments of the Ulimas of that time( few very big names, i leave it to you to find their names)they didn’t only supported him, they also encouraged others to do so. And please don’t go too deep.
Why don’t you call innovation(Biddah) when millions of Muslims celebrate birthdays of their children(i know you r the one of them), why don’t you call biddah when your family watches non-islamic programs on TV, everybody shaves their beards why don’t you call it biddah, a long list of other things, which were never done by Prophet(peace be upon him and his family) are never condemned by any of your Ulimas, you don’t call them Biddah.
My simple theory is that if we become happy with the birth of a baby in the family and never forget that day, why can’t we do the same in Prophet’s(peace be upon him and his family)case, who deserves more love than any relation in this world. why some people’s faces turn dark when this month approaches.
And ask yourself these questions

this is by far the stupidest thinjg i have heard so far! SUbhan-Allah brothers what r you saying? do u even no what a bidah is? il tell u now that YOU dont know a thing abt bidah! bidah is when you make sumthin an act of worship which is not in line wiv shariah or has no evidence! is tv an act of worship? NO! so dnt b comin out wiv childish statements brother Wasir! im am against shaving the beard brother so thats bit sorted. regarding bdays. its an imitation of the kuffar! if u want to imitate the kuffar then go ahead. im happy wiv the muslim way of life! anyway why do u celebrate bdays knowing your gettin closer to yr death? i dnt celebrate em! regarding milad…simple question. did the prophet(saw) do it or did he tell us to? yes we can fast n i no that but not meet up n decprate our mosques likes it christmas! subhan-Allah some mosques go on as if its a new year!

il tell u what go out n study abt bidah or u will b accountable for yr sayings and actions!

May Allah guide us all to the truth!

[zer01]

Re: Milaad in Prophet’s(sallallaho alaihi wasallam) time

@faisal as salafi

do u even no what a bidah is? il tell u now that YOU dont know a thing abt bidah! bidah is when you make sumthin an act of worship which is not in line wiv shariah or has no evidence! …regarding bdays. its an imitation of the kuffar!

ever heard of using seat belts in saudi arab? check this:

The Seatbelt And The Destruction Of Muslim History Including Jannat-ul-Baqi

hmm so if using a seat belt (which saves your life) is bidah then what about using your computer to communicate over internet? did ever Prophet communicate this way?? Isn’t it another invention of “KUFAR”

[faisal_as_salafi]

Re: Milaad in Prophet's(sallallaho alaihi wasallam) time

Asalaamu Alaikum brothers!

subhan-Allah! either u r desperate to argue against me or ur jus plain ignorant. Allah knows best.

1stly brother, the arab guy who spoke abt seatbelt being a bida? he dont no what he is on abt!

2ndly, i did not say this so theres no point in askin me sumthin which has nuthin to do wiv me.

3rdly i dnt think u quite understand what Bidah is. i quite simply said bidah is makiong something an act of worship which has not been prescribed by the Allah and His Messenger(saw). is the seatbelt an act of worship? think for yrslf. it does not befit a muslim to talk like this.

regarding pc's? its an invention yes! did the Prophet(saw) use it? No! of course he did not but if u wanna get that low n desperate to argue then i can ask did he celebrate his bday? wiv lites n decorations is the Masjid which are purely for Allah?

brother i laff at yr arguements. May Allah guide you!

[faisal_as_salafi]

Re: Milaad in Prophet's(sallallaho alaihi wasallam) time

Hijazi wrote:

Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah destroy the Jews! They have taken their graves as places of worship.” (Agreed upon).

Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the women who visit graves and those who build mosques over them and place lamps on them.”
"i dont know why your books contradict themselves:

zer01 wrote:

Shiekh Abdul Qadir Jilani in his book Ghuniyat-ul-Talibeen on page 430 (urdu edition):

Hamza bin Ziyarat narrated that he saw Rasulallah (saww) and Hz. Ibrahim (as) in his dream. Both prophets were praying on/at the grave of Hussain (as)."

Brother. Shaykh abdul qadir jillani was a great man but his words dnt take over the words of our prophet(saw).

1 person is using sayings of our Prophet(saw) as evidence and you are using abdul qadir jillani's dream?

i think that sez it all!

this post can b seen on the thread for "The Seatbelt And The Destruction Of Muslim History Including Jannat-ul-Baqi "

brother wiv Zer01` arguements. if u hav any other childish arguments to make regarding bidah or anythin else then feel free to get in contact wiv me.

Truth stands out clear from ERROR!

wasalaam!

[The_Watcher]

Re: Milaad in Prophet's(sallallaho alaihi wasallam) time

Nothing from QURAN or HADITH that sanctions this 18th century practice of "milaad." These ignorant fools who follow milad schedual more than the prayer schedual offer some weak arguments when linking their milad as an islamic practice.