In Islam, it is parental and social responsiblity to discourage any sexual behaviour, which is the most logical and direct way to contorl the single mother flue and childern to be born without fathers. In Islam, it is controlled on every front in home, social life and evern Mosques. Therefore, there is no concept of Nuns or any other forms such as, “Dasi”, in Hinduism.
I hope your right, but i dont think that in all honesty, anyone can stop a really “immature” guy from going out and getting better “acquainted” with the opposite sex. Some for many females. You would be surprised now a day the kind of stories i hear about Pakistani Guys and girls. No one is ever what they appear.
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
** Well we are after all, only Human. But what made you decide that it was bad after marriage?
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I rediscovered my faith after growing up a bit. When I was a teenager religion was the last thing on my mind. Sex was the first thing on my mind.
Sometimes it was the only thing on my mind.
I work with kids in my community now days, and teen pregnancy is a big problem. I try to combat the same kind of thinking I was guilty of myself as a teen ager.
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Originally posted by MMike:
**Yes, Dating is encouraged among people of my faith but sexual relations are reserved only for husband and wife.
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I had some catholic friends who told me that sex is not against thier religion and they do it all the time. Because it is nothing offencive to mankind. So my question is this that are there different kinds or divisions of cathoilism? As far as I know catholic chruch allows to have as many wives as you want, than how come it be a foreign idea to you? or is it allowed in certain times and situations only???
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Originally posted by MMike:
** I rediscovered my faith after growing up a bit.
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Ibrahim says greetings of peace to one and all
Dear MMike,
Maybe not well enough, since the very bible tells us to marry more then one and was practiced by Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon etc etc,
If you need exact verses feel free to ask.
Regards
Ibrahim
** No matter how many communes anybody invents, the family always creeps back. **
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Originally posted by MMike:
** I rediscovered my faith after growing up a bit. When I was a teenager religion was the last thing on my mind. Sex was the first thing on my mind.
Sometimes it was the only thing on my mind.
I work with kids in my community now days, and teen pregnancy is a big problem. I try to combat the same kind of thinking I was guilty of myself as a teen ager.
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Thats why Islam asks parents to marry their kids as soon as they reach puberty, but the man-made social problems look like mountains and hence create problems for teenagers.
These days we want kids to be more "well-off" in terms of money before we marry them, society cares less for "moral problems". They'd prefer a guy with more money to marry their daughters to and ignore if that guy has bad moral/character.
Anyway, coming back to the topic. It is permissible for men to marry more women (upto 4) but then it is also REQUIRED to keep BALANCE between all of them in terms of sharing time, wealth, etc. Now how easy is this for men to do?
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
** I hope your right, but i dont think that in all honesty, anyone can stop a really "immature" guy from going out and getting better "acquainted" with the opposite sex. Some for many females. You would be surprised now a day the kind of stories i hear about Pakistani Guys and girls. No one is ever what they appear. **
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Adnan, with due respect, How many parents, and teachers are doing their job according the teaching of Islam, we cannot blame the Islamic rules and system, the real problem is implementation.
Today, parents are watching Indian Movie crap with their children. In my views, these moveis are social posinon.
When the foundation of the Society ie "Marriage" is not based on the teachings of Islam, how can we expect the Society to be Islamic?
Marriages are delayed and every one is looking for a wealthy, beautiful bride/groom from a reputable family for their children. The three things that according to Islam are of least importance, but these three are given top priority in our Society.
Parents take parenting for granted they have brought in deceptive tools of Satan in their homes "TV, Satellite, Video.." which are usually doing the job of baby sitting for their children, the upbringing of the children is done by these deceptive tools of Satan instead of being done according to Islamic Teachings, and then when things get out of hand, we point out fingers in all directions except for the parents who are solely responsible since they are the ones who are appointed by Allah as shepherds and it is the duty of the shepherd to stay awake and never fall asleep, but when the shepherd sleeps and the wolf eats the sheep the shepherd then blames the wolf for eating the sheep instead of himself for falling asleep.
The Society is ignoring this and unjustly supports the parents whilst it is usually their mistake when things go wrong. Our Society is over speeding towards corruption and strife and a lot is happening in our Societies which is against Islam and instead of trying to eliminate those problems we are covering them up. Many things that brothers have criticized in the post that happen in the West in broad daylight is happening in our own so called Muslim Societies, but is being covered up, how much longer can we hide what is happening in our own homes?
It seems to me that we are waiting for miracles to happen, we don't want to talk and sort out those things, all we do is sit back and ignore the reality instead of accepting it and sorting things out, we are in a constand state of denial about the bitter truth that is happening within our Society and we boast about ourselves being Muslims.
Does Islam teaches us to sit back and watch the show and do nothing by ourselves to correct what is wrong? Aren't we supposed to even try to change things?
The general attitude is to ignore and leave things on their own, they'll change when they have to change. Allah tests us by all that happens around us, and He expects us to try to change what is wrong, but we on the other hand expect miracles to change things rather than trying to change things ourselves.
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Originally posted by secret_obsession:
** I had some catholic friends who told me that sex is not against thier religion and they do it all the time. Because it is nothing offencive to mankind. So my question is this that are there different kinds or divisions of cathoilism? As far as I know catholic chruch allows to have as many wives as you want, than how come it be a foreign idea to you? or is it allowed in certain times and situations only??? **
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Are you being serious or just messin with me?
In all of my life I have never heard of anything like that. always abstinance until marriage, and marriage should be a life time commitment to a single person.
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Originally posted by MMike:
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Are you being serious or just messin with me?
In all of my life I have never heard of anything like that. always abstinance until marriage, and marriage should be a life time commitment to a single person.
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why would I mess with you.... but i am not trying to be offensive. It's just that I had two catholic friends who always had birth cantrol pills with them (even in school). While all other catholics whom i know told me that birth cantrol in not allowed in their religion. while those friends siad there is nothing wrong with it. So are there different kinds and rules... or may be some people just don't follow (like many muslims don't follow true islam and try to twist rules and justify their acts).
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Originally posted by secret_obsession:
** some people just don't follow (like many muslims don't follow true islam and try to twist rules and justify their acts).
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This is what is happening, I guess it's human nature. When I was in school I had many friends who had 12, 16 even 18 brothers and sisters. Catholic families were huge. But now two or three kids are the norm. People are abandoning this belief because of economic reasons. Who could afford 16 kids?
Not me.
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Originally posted by MMike:
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This is what is happening, I guess it's human nature. When I was in school I had many friends who had 12, 16 even 18 brothers and sisters. Catholic families were huge. But now two or three kids are the norm. People are abandoning this belief because of economic reasons. Who could afford 16 kids?
Not me.**
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hmmmm got it, thanks.
MMike i know many catholics who turn back to their relegion after having heavy doses of sex and after they get married. Why can i ask, is it like that???