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^Pakistan is not even getting the 7.5 billions as for the past 2 years they have not given them even a penny.
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Question is, why would it be any more 'dignified' or have more 'ghairat' if they had given us more money over the years. Its the ghairat point I dont understand.
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Is it Possible ?
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^ pakistan will get nothing for its services
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Pakistan seeks $5,000 transit fee for each NATO container - The Washington Post
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Question : don't they do cost-benefit analysis when designing /defining strategies...??
Yes they do, If swiss account turns out to be heavier in the equation than the strategy is working and is beneficial to Pak.
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While Im not for the american war in Afghanistan, I dont understand what the ghairat point is exactly. If Pakistani leaders are deciding to open NATO supplies after renegotiating the price, and supplies are resuming after this, isnt this a sovereign decision made by the country? What exactly is 'beghairat' about it... the people who were against NATO supplies were against it regardless of the salalah incident. It is opportunistic of them to peg their opposition to an 'apology', whatever that would accomplish. They were making the same ghairat rhetoric before. Please explain.
ghairat point is for when our government/army are okay with drone bombings, when they are okay with operation OBL for the sake of money, when our government sells our people for $$$, when you supply food, ammunition, diapers to enemy to kill your own people.
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besides our establishment and our govt, nobody is going to benefit from the resumption nato routes.
I wonder what happenend to that parliamentary committee that had recommended conditions to reopen nato routes.
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I wonder what happenend to that parliamentary committee that had recommended conditions to reopen nato routes.
All these committees, panels, parliament and senate are good for nothing. What suits the leaders of parties will eventually happen...
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true that.:hinna:
yeh mulk tu bana hi humare politicians k liye hai
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I just heard this saying this morning and I immediately thought of this situation.
Dogs are always more loyal to their masters than their own kind.
On the other hand, lions protect their own kind against predators ( or hunters/killers/raiders/pillagers).
Does Pakistani leadership count among the dogs or the lions ? Hmmm.... That's an easy question. Right ?
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ghairat point is for when our government/army are okay with drone bombings, when they are okay with operation OBL for the sake of money, when our government sells our people for $$$, when you supply food, ammunition, diapers to enemy to kill your own people.
so as I thought, the ghairat point doesnt have anything to do with reopening the routes and the conditions surrounding the closure and opening of the routes, but a more general opposition predating the closure of the routes.
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besides our establishment and our govt, nobody is going to benefit from the resumption nato routes.
I wonder what happenend to that parliamentary committee that had recommended conditions to reopen nato routes.
I know eh!!!. I mean only party to benefit is government that is all. Sentiments of our people don't count much. Sad i tell ya!. I was reading paper today somewhere that Pakistan sold for 365m or something.
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I know eh!!!. I mean only party to benefit is government that is all. Sentiments of our people don't count much. Sad i tell ya!. I was reading paper today somewhere that Pakistan sold for 365m or something.
I don't know why this hue and cry? Suppose don't open NATO supply routes, straining the ties with USA and other NATO countries, resulted in sanctions and bans, how Pakistan will survive then? Do you think China or Muslim brother countries will come to your rescue? The first reaction will be diband of army as there would be no billions to feed them.
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Husain Haqqani on Nato routes
Speaking on “The Brief”, hosted by Christiane Amanpour, Haqqani said, “**Pakistanis have to wake up to the fact that whatever advantages they have as the ground line of communication (GLOCs) provider, that advantage is not going to last forever. As the Americans withdraw, yes, they need Pakistan to withdraw their heavy equipment. But in a worst case scenario, they can say ‘Blow up the equipment, let’s get out of here through other means.’”
**“**We need to crack down on these extremists for Pakistan’s sake. More Pakistanis have been killed by them than they have killed Americans…. America will leave Afghanistan someday. But we will still be haunted by the remnants.”
**However, he said that the main sticking point remained a gulf of trust deficit between the two allies, and a reduced space within Pakistan to openly discuss pragmatic aspects of the troubled bilateral relation. “Look, I am, as a Pakistani, very concerned about the direction of my own country. I am among those who feel that there are elements in Pakistani society who don’t allow us to have an honest and realistic debate about foreign policy.”
“We just want to blame our neighbors, our enemies,” said Haqqani, “we don’t want to take account of what’s wrong at home.”
However, he reminded that there were genuine concerns for Pakistan in Afghanistan, which many felt were being ignored. “We are concerned about the future of Afghanistan. We don’t want India to create a kind of presence in Afghanistan that the US wouldn’t have tolerated if the Soviets had created it in Mexico during the Cold War,” he said
As a solution, the former ambassador proposed honesty. “**We both need to have an honest discussion.”
He hinted that a small group of people wished to hijack the public debate for ulterior motives. “Pakistan needs to discuss its relations with the US honestly and openly within its society, instead of allowing a small group of people ideologically motivated and seeking essentially the domination of an Islamist ideology within Pakistan, but unable to get votes. They should not be allowed to dominate the discourse within Pakistan”
**On the American side, Haqqani said that in his formal capacity as Ambassador, he often urged US to understand Pakistani sentimentalities. “**We helped the Americans fight the Soviets in the ‘80’s and what was the result? Civil war in Afghanistan, the Americans left, we were left with the baby and we paid the price for the civil war. Then 9-11 came, we became partners with the Americans again, and this time when the Americans leave, we will still be picking up the pieces.”
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**“Your domestic politics and our domestic politics often come in the form of a clash, and when they clash nothing good comes out of it.”
**“Talk to any Pakistani for five minutes,” he said, “and by the fifth minute he will be getting angry about America far more than he would about whoever hid Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. Now there’s been a year that’s gone and we haven’t yet prosecuted anyone for hiding and protecting Osama bin Laden there. So my point is, as Pakistanis, we need to take some responsibility.”
Despite this, when Pakistan sought token retribution in the aftermath of the November 26, 2011, when a Nato airstrike killed 24 Pakistanis soldiers, it was ignored. “Pakistan demanded an apology for the Salala incident (the lethal air strike) when Pakistan’s troops were killed. America disregarded that request.”
Advantage from Nato supply route will not last forever: Husain Haqqani – The Express Tribune
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I know eh!!!. I mean only party to benefit is government that is all. Sentiments of our people don't count much. Sad i tell ya!. I was reading paper today somewhere that Pakistan sold for 365m or something.
and that money is going into their pockets, its not reaching the common man.
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Dont forget next budget is comming. Sheikh saab need numbers from govt.to fill in the blanks in this budget. Number were what our govt.was waiting for from US,now that we have nubmers we will not see any new visible tax in new budget and 100,000 job will b put on auction...like always.
Yes many will profit....and much much more will suffer.
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^ I agree with you the government needs to sort out this matter before the budget, so that they can throw out some benefits and try to buy off people but I don't think anything will work now. The government can try all the desperate measures they can, if economy and development was the bench mark Musharrafs party should have won the 2008 elections.
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I don't know why this hue and cry? Suppose don't open NATO supply routes, straining the ties with USA and other NATO countries, resulted in sanctions and bans, how Pakistan will survive then? Do you think China or Muslim brother countries will come to your rescue? The first reaction will be diband of army as there would be no billions to feed them.
Don't worry, if US wants to force sanctions they will find one reason or the other anyways, no matter how much you bend backwards that will never be enough for SAM.
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SAM is a darling...let's 'do more' for it :D