Makdoom Javed Hashmi remanded by capital police

[Bhadsha]

Army men of Pakistan are first and formost pakistanis as such they have a claim in the affairs of Pakistan. If they can risk there lives to protet our homeland they certainly should be shown some respect. Javed Hashmi although I belive the treason charge seems quiet harsh, did atleast try to weaken the morale of the forces and present a negative image of the forces at large to the population. An armies strenght lies in its morale and discipline, if these two are missing then we can see the example of the Iraqi army. The politcians should know there are certain limits they must at all cost not cross. Unfortunately Hashmi, NS, BS have all crossed those limits. They are continually tarnishing the image of Pakistan and trying to weaken its institutions. In a preceding argument Asif_k "Be careful of what you wish for. Today it is Mr. Hashmi, Tomorrow it could be someone close to you. " Most of crimes of rapes and dacoity and kidnappings occur in Pakistan because local powerful leaders usually have crooks under there protection. THe only difference is now one of these crooks have been picked I hope they give him the Punjab police hospitality perhaps he will understand his limits then.

[Spock]

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Very unfortunate, especially if he has been charged with treason, this considering the illegality of this Army led govt, it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

some perceptions have to be corrected on the slaary issue, the average salary of an MNA is 5,000 rs/month. The increase was suggessted by the present Mush/Jamali go0vernment MNA's and was supported by Shaukat Aziz.

In the end, all of this is the consequence of the Army getting involved in politics. Faujis should be defending the borders and not running cleaning canals or checking electricity meters, once they get involved in politics they are fair game for criticism.
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Crooks like Shujaat go free handpicked by Musharraf, whereas this guy is detained. This is plain idiocy... What he said made sense, whenever a new Government arrives, they start a campaign against the previous ones, I bet my last Klingon coin on the fact that as soon as Musharraf leaves, the successor will leave no stone unturned to humiliate him. Everyones done it, be it Ayub, Bhutto or Nawaz.

[Zakk]

^ Nicely said, Spock, victimisation only creates more victimisation...

[Malik73]

*Originally posted by Decent 6Chora: *
Oh and one more thing. Just compare what these bunch of sick politicians were saying in 1999 and now. Why these politicians were not standing behind Nawaz Shareef if they have this much pain for democracy and illegality of Musharraf’s government.

Musharraf government might be “illegal” but is popular and most Pakistanis don’t want these politicians to come back and eat Pakistan like meat.

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Pakistani political elite supports military regime
By G. Senarathna and K. Ratnayake
17 November 1999

Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, speaking to a symposium in Toronto, Canada on November 8, said, “General Musharraf’s intentions look honest when he says that he will be fair in his approach and that he is motivated by patriotism.” Bhutto’s remarks, reported by the Pakistani newspaper Dawn, concerned the military chief who took power in a coup overthrowing the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on October 12. Her speech reflected the common approach of the major political parties in Pakistan to the military overthrow.

The coup took place in the midst of growing agitation demanding Sharif’s resignation. The opposition launched its anti-government drive after the withdrawal of Pakistani-backed forces from the Kargil heights in Indian Kashmir last July. Sharif countered with a campaign of repression.

When the military took power in Pakistan, Bhutto, the leader of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), the main bourgeois opposition party, was in London, where she has been living in exile to avoid a jail sentence on corruption charges. At a press conference in London on October 19 Bhutto acknowledged that she had made contact with the army after the coup, seeking safe passage to return to Pakistan. Justifying the coup, she said that Sharif “created conditions” for the military take over. “He has sought to dismantle democracy…When he attacked the army there was a perception that he was politicizing the last non-political institution in the country. The army reacted,” she said. Bhutto hailed the coup leader, General Musharraf, as “a courageous and bold professional, committed to civilian order.”

Her claim that the military is a “non-political institution” is absurd. The Pakistani military has ruled the country, on and off, for a total of more than two decades since independence in 1947. Last month’s coup was the third military takeover in the 52-year history of the country. Even under civilian rule the generals have exercised enormous political influence.

The PPP leader offered to work with the military in an “interim council” that she expected Musharraf would set up. But the military instead indicated it would charge Bhutto for corruption as part of its effort to “cleanse society”.

Despite this, in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel, Bhutto reiterated that she was “ready to offer any kind of informal help (to the military) … in the interest of the country.” Having received the signal from the party leader in London, PPP leaders within Pakistan proceeded to bow to the new military regime. The Dawn newspaper reported that PPP former minister and senator Iqbal Haider praised the military leader, saying he “sounded more like a sincere, well-meaning, humble and committed patriot.”

Among the vociferous supporters of the coup was the politician-turned cricket captain Imran Khan. He was quoted in the October 18 issue of Dawn as saying: “In view of this serious situation the entire nation and all democratic parties have welcomed the dismissal of the Nawaz government and takeover by the army.”

The Muttihida Qaumi Movement (MQM), based on Indian Muslims who fled to Pakistan during the partition of 1947, took the same stand. When the general announced he would carry out IMF dictates, MQM said: “It is a popular agenda.” In a November 1 open letter to the military chief, MQM “recognized that the General had taken upon himself the task of national reconstruction, security and reorganization.”

Leaders of the nineteen-party Grand Democratic Alliance (GDA), which was formed three months back to escalate agitation to oust Nawaz Sharif, welcomed Musharraf’s October 17 policy declaration. The military chief’s “program is in complete harmony with our agenda and we support it,” said the GDA in a statement issued after its leaders met on October 21. The GDA includes the PPP, MQM and other political parties. It excludes Jamaat-I-Islami and other fundamentalist groups.

Immediately after the coup, Jamaat Vice President Prof. Gaffoor Ahmed said: “The whole nation has supported the army takeover and hopes he (Musharraf) will not unnecessarily prolong his rule.” But in recent days a conflict has arisen between the Jamaat-I-Islami and the military ruler. In an interview given to Turkish TV, Musharraf said he admired the Turkish nationalist and secularist leader Kemal Ataturk, who ruled Turkey in 1920s, and would like to direct Pakistan in line with Kemal’s program. In response to this statement, Jamaat leader Qazi Hussein Ahmed declared there was no room for a secular government in Pakistan, whereupon the army banned him from entering his home province, the North West Frontier Province, for 30 days. Jamaat said it would go to the courts against this ban…

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Most stupid comment is of Proff.Ghafoor who’s party is shouting more than any other party these days. Comeon Why not “prolong” ? I mean illegal government is illegal no matter if its for a day of 10 years.

Decent 6Chora excellent stuff. :k:

You have answered my question in one post, which hypocrites who preach democracy cannot face, becuase it truly exposes the hypocrisy of the people and traitors they are trying to defend. According to out “combined” opposition of today the events of Oct 12 1999 were great patriotic act, which the whole nation supported. No talk of “illegal” actions and “defending the constitution” then? :hehe:

[Zakk]

I’m not a fan of Qazi, but he really summarised Hashmi’s arrest nicely..

Criticising the Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy President’s arrest, Mr Qazi said, “The treason case against Javed Hashmi is a joke, it is the general who deserves that.”

“Because of the general’s policies, American interference in Pakistan’s internal affairs has posed a challenge to the country’s integrity and freedom,” Mr Qazi said. He said that Pakistan’s institutions were undergoing their worst phase; judiciary freedom had been curtailed, law and order was getting worse, people were suffering because of inflation, democratic rulers were not free to play their role and the parliament was powerless. “Who is responsible for these circumstances?” Mr Qazi questioned.
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[Sohaib]

Its idiocy versus idiocy. First Hashmi thought he could wreck havoc while presenting the letter (about which opposition leaders are calling for an investigation as who wrote it, ). If they doubted the authenticity of the letter, why in the world they decided to go ahead with it in the press? Govt, on the other hand, went over the line and charged him for treason though i agree that Hashmi tried to inflict damage to Armed Forces

Hashmi and opposition leaders have done nothing but whine, whine and whine. Let this looli-langri democracy give a chance, what better they can present? PML(N)?? PPP??? ohh gimme a break.

[Haris]

*Originally posted by Zakk: *
I’m not a fan of Qazi, but he really summarised Hashmi’s arrest nicely..

Criticising the Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy President’s arrest, Mr Qazi said, “The treason case against Javed Hashmi is a joke, it is the general who deserves that.”

“Because of the general’s policies, American interference in Pakistan’s internal affairs has posed a challenge to the country’s integrity and freedom,” Mr Qazi said. He said that Pakistan’s institutions were undergoing their worst phase; judiciary freedom had been curtailed, law and order was getting worse, people were suffering because of inflation, democratic rulers were not free to play their role and the parliament was powerless. “Who is responsible for these circumstances?” Mr Qazi questioned.
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well if one talks about it the same arguments keep on coming up over and over again…
can anyone ask Qazi sahib what should Gen Mush have done in the situations that rose after 9/11!? should he have opposed the US and taken Alqaeda’s part? in that case pakistan and afghanistan would have looked like identical twins today…is it very hard to imagine what the US would have done to our coutry…? i guess it is hard for itellectuals like qazi and his fellow fans of democracy.