Mr. Kaleem,I am not representing or misrepresenting anything or anyone.I do not have anything against Wahabis. I believe in Quran and Sunnah and I am not into pirs, faqirs either.You failed to understand my point. if Wahabis are more staunch believers , than by all means. However, in reality most of the madhrahsas in Pakistan were funded by Saudia Arab and other gulf states... hence, there was bound to have an impact...MAny of the people involved in sectarian killings belonged to that school of thought and I was trying to bring home the point that 'others' are not just the christians and jews, sadly in our country 'other sects' are also targeted before anybody else... that was just what i was trying to say
there is a difference between 'same brand of people... which doesn't invlove an entire community' and all the people belonging to a particular school of thought'
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Yeah, that’s why there are Synagogues and Churches on every corner in Saudi Arabia. It’s that kind of fanatical thinking (Shrines not allowed) that creates such terrorists as the Saudis are. 19 Wahabi Hijackers, why not a single Shia Hijacker. Just like going to school to study Physics does not imply that one will make nukes, but to make nukes, one must know the laws of physics. Wahabism is such a Physics and it has created an atmosphere of terrorism and fanaticism and that’s why it is synonymous with fanaticism. What gives Wahabis the right to tell others where to seek guidance? It is that self-righteous head-in-the-ass mentality that creates the environment where fanaticism flourishes. If fanaticism is a tree, think of Wahabism as fertilizer.
Fraudz, Saudis who go to study abroad are semi-Wahabis.
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madhanee it is less indicative of the people than the mutawaas who rule the country by proxy in cahoots with the royals. There are no churches or even mosques of any other denomination nto because the guy next door is against it, but there are powerful groups who run the country. Tomorrow if MMA took over Pakistan, would their action be indicative of your views or personality?
russians were our enemies..why because their govt or authorities were anti-US did it mean being russian meant hatred of americans..not at all, we saw that they were ppl just liek anyone after prestroika and glastnost and whatnots..
the fact that Iran was run by ayotollahs and a dangerous place for those who did not agree with the ruling clerics' views did nto mean that everyone else who was a shia and in Iran was an extremist.
as far as wahabism and terrorism, i noted that puritanical thought can be channeled into extremism easier than others. because wasn't it the shias (err shi'ites) that were labelled as the extremist sect back in the day after the whole deal with iran and ayotollah?
saudis who go abroad may be semi wahabis but i have had the chance to live in KSA and although i was a kid, the people I met were nothing but gentle, nice and civil, even though we did not agree with them on religious matters.
I am pretty sure this thrust of the media and the politicians is well thought-out. Its not coincidence, its not un-intelligent and its most certainly not careless.
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Keeping your argument in view, one can also say that by promoting this view about the rigidity of a particular sect, they are somehow trying to build an opinion and prepare people to accept their next intervention/target...maybe Saudia Arabia inthis case. Or trying to justify their presence in those places...
Madhanee... Its not just a vicitimization theory, rather it is brainstorming, that muslims, as a whole need to take charge of this situation. We just leave things unattended and they baloon to a huge problem down the road. Not only do they need to remind the western media and the government that muslims, as a whole, are not violent, they also need to take concrete steps to root out those elements from amongst us who call for attacks on civilian populations. Mainstream Islam needs to disassociate itself from the violent elements who use the name of Islam to strengthen their own powerbase.