Re: Love between Hazrat Abu Bakar and Hazrat Ali
Subhanallah
Re: Love between Hazrat Abu Bakar and Hazrat Ali
Have you heard of Shaikh Ahmed Sirhidi/Mujaddid Alfe Sani?
He lived during the time of King Akbar and Jghangeer, and when Akbar started this new deen called Deen e Ilahi, he stood against them, and if it was not for him, today there would be no Muslims in the sub-Continent. He was a great scholar and Sufi. Sihaah al Sittah? Anything that reach us through reliable chain or narrators is good, and it can be in any Hadees or history book, not just Sihah Sittah.
Re: Love between Hazrat Abu Bakar and Hazrat Ali
Again one of the Fabricated stories, well I doubt the authenticity of it. This is another fabricated stuff to pacify the muslims of today.
Well, the words referred to both the Sahabas are far beyond imagination. Anyways, can you refer the website khanbabax, let me first look into the authenticity of the website before believing this dialogue.
Thanks in advance.
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^^
Refer to the book, and if you refuse to believe, nothing I can do.
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I’m not denying that he might have been a good Muslim but we shouldn’t give into emotion/jazbaat and follow blindly without using our heads..
Mirza Ghulaam-Ahmad Qadiani was also a defender of Islaam at one point against the British Christian Missionaries but does that mean we start accepting him as mujadid and blindly following him? regardless of the fact that what he percieved to be Islaam wasn’t really Islaam at all coz in order to defend it he changed it.
I’m not saying what you’re saying is wrong or Imam Ahmad Faruqi was wrong.. but it’s not good saying something without knwoing the source and if it really goes back to the Prophet :saw:.. I guess we should all seek religious knowledge for Allaah alone without giving into blind emotion before we post fatawa and engage in religious debate..
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You are comparing Shaikh Ahmed Sirhindi with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. Brother InshAllah read more on Shaikh and then you wont have any doubts.
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You dont do this much just put iin the link I will read the book later.
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From Ummah.com, but you have to search it now, I got it few months back, had it saved. But better if you try to find the book.
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JazakAllah khair everyone for sharing :)
[quote=] Again one of the Fabricated stories, well I doubt the authenticity of it. This is another fabricated stuff to pacify the muslims of today
With no offense, whether it sounds "fabricated" or "not fabricated" is all difference of perspective, so we can't decide on that. Infact to me it doesn't sound fabricated at all, as alot of sentences in that post are quite familiar to me before reading it. BUT, my opinion doesn't matter equally as much as yours on whether it is fabricated or not.
If we are not sure and we have no proof of it to be "correct" than we are equally not sure and we equally have no proof of it to be "Incorrect"
So, the best way would be to read and than try to search for the truth instead of passing judgement.
p.s. I might be wrong but this is how I sincerely feel and honestly understand.
ALLAH (swt) knows best!!
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Whatever is mentioned in that story, narrations regarding that can be found in the hadees books. Now its up to you people to search or ask a scholar, and you will be able to find a hadees for every single point.
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Very Good dailouge
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One day Abû Bakr as-Siddîq ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’ came to Rasûlullah’s ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ place. He was about to enter, when Alî bin Abî Tâlib ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’ arrived, too. Abû Bakr stepped backwards and said, “After you, Yâ Alî.” The latter replied and the following long dialogue took place between them:
Alî – Yâ Abâ Bakr, you go in first for you are ahead of us all in all goodnesses and acts of charity.
Abû Bakr – You go in first, Yâ Alî, for you are closer to the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ta’âlâ ’alaihi wa sallam’.
Alî – How could I go ahead of you? I heard the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ say, “The sun has not risen on any one of my Ummat higher than Abû Bakr.”
Abû Bakr – How could I go ahead of you? On the day when Rasûlullah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ gave his daughter Fâtima-t-uz-zahrâ ‘radiy-Allâhu ta’âlâ ’anhâ’ in marriage to you, he stated, “I have given the best of women to the best of men.”
Alî – I cannot go ahead of you, for Rasûlullah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ stated, “Let him who wants to see Ibrâhîm (Abraham) ‘alaihis-salâm’ look at Abû Bakr’s face.”
Abû Bakr – I can not go ahead of you, for Rasûlullah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ stated, “Let him who wants to see Âdam’s ‘alaihis-salâm’ tenderness and Yûsuf’s ‘alaihis-salâm’ beautiful moral qualities look at Alî!”
Alî – I can not enter before you. For, the Messenger of Allah ‘alaihis-salâm’ asked, “Yâ Rabbî! Who loves me most, and who is the best of my Sahâba?” Jenâb-i-Haqq answered, “Yâ Muhammad ‘alaihis-salâm’! He is Abû Bakr as-Siddîq.”
Abû Bakr – I can not go ahead of you. For, the Messenger ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “So (good) is the person whom I give knowledge that Allâhu ta’âlâ loves him, and so do I; I love him very much.” You have been the gate to the town of knowledge.
Alî – I can not go before you, for the Messenger ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “There is a sign that says, ‘Abû Bakr, the Habîbullah (the Darling of Allah),’ on the gates of Paradise.”
Abû Bakr – I cannot go before you. For, during the Holy War of Hayber the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ handed the flag to you and stated, “This flag is a gift from the Melîk-i-ghâlib to Alî bin Abî Tâlib.”
Alî – How can I go before you? The Messenger ‘alaihis-salâm’ said to you, “Yâ Abâ Bakr! You stand for my sight, which sees, and for my heart, which knows.”
Abû Bakr – I can not go ahead of you. For, the Messenger ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “On the Rising Day Alî will come (to the place of assembly) on the back of an animal of Paradise. Jenâb-i-Haqq will say, ‘Yâ Muhammad ‘alaihis-salâm’! How beautiful a father your father Ibrâhîm Halîl is; and how beautiful a brother your brother Alî bin Abî Tâlib is.’ ”
Alî – I can not go before you. For, the Messenger ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “On the Rising Day the angel named Ridwân, who is the chief of the angels of Paradise, will enter Paradise, coming back with the keys of Paradise. He will give them to me. Then Jebrâîl ‘alaihis-salâm’ will come and say, ‘Yâ Muhammad, give the keys of Paradise and those of Hell to Abû Bakr. Let Abû Bakr send anyone he chooses to Paradise and others to Hell.’ ”
Abû Bakr – I can not go ahead of you, for the Messenger ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “Alî will be by my side on the Rising Day. He will be with me near the Hawz and Kawthar. He will be with me on the Sirât. He will be with me in Paradise. And he will be with me (at the happiest moment) as I see Allâhu ta’âlâ.’ ”
Alî – I can not enter before you do, for the Messenger of Allah ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “If the îmân held by Abû Bakr were weighed against the total sum of the îmân held by all the other Believers, his îmân would weigh heavier.”
Abû Bakr – How can I go before you? For, the Rasûl ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “I am the city of knowledge. And Alî is the gate?”
Alî – How can I ever walk ahead of you? For, the Rasûl ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “I am the city of faithfulness. And Abû Bakr is its gate.”
Abû Bakr – I can not go before you, for the Rasûl ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “On the Rising Day Alî will be made to mount a beautiful horse. Those who see him will wonder: What prophet is that person? Allâhu ta’âlâ will say: This is Alî bin Abî Tâlib.”
Alî – I can not go ahead of you, for the Rasûl ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “I and Abû Bakr are from the same soil. We shall be one again.”
Abû Bakr – I can not go before you, for the Rasûl ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “Allâhu ta’âlâ will say: O you, Paradise! I shall adorn your four corners with four people. One of them is Muhammad ‘alaihis-salâm’, the highest of prophets. Another one is Alî, the highest of those who fear Allâhu ta’âlâ. The third one is Fâtima-t-uz-zahrâ, the highest of women. And the fourth corner will be occupied by Hasan and Husayn, the highest of pure people.”
Alî – How can I go ahead of you? The Rasûl ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “A voice from the eight Gardens of Paradise calls as follows: O Abâ Bakr, come with those whom you love; and you all, enter Paradise!”
Abû Bakr – I cannot go before you, for the Rasûl ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “I am like a tree. Fâtima is the trunk. Alî is the branches. Hasan and Husayn are the fruits.”
Alî – I can not go before you, for the Rasûl ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “May Allâhu ta’âlâ forgive all the faults of Abû Bakr. For, he gave his daughter Âisha to me; he helped me during the Hijrat (Hegira, Migration to Medina); he bought Bilâl-i-Habashî, (who was a slave formerly,) and emancipated him for me.” ... .
As the two darlings of the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ were talking like this before the door, the Best of Mankind was inside, listening. He interrupted Alî as he was talking and stated from inside:
“O my brothers Abû Bakr and Alî ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anhumâ’! Please do come in! Jebrâîl ‘alaihis-salâm’ has been here; he says that the angels on the earth and in the seven skies have been listening to you and that you could not describe your value in the view of Allâhu ta’âlâ were you to praise each other till the end of the world.” The two beloved companions gave an affectionate hug to each other, and together they entered the presence of the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’.
The Messenger ‘alaihis-salâm’ stated, “May Allâhu ta’âlâ bless both of you with his Rahma (Compassion) hundreds of times. May He bless your lovers also with His Rahma hundreds of times; and may your enemies be accursed hundreds of times.” Hadrat Abû Bakr as-Siddîq said, “Yâ Rasûlallah (O Messenger of Allah)! I shall not do shafâ’at (intercede) for the enemies of my brother Alî.” Hadrat Alî said, “Yâ Rasûlallah! I shall not intercede for the enemies of my brother Abû Bakr; and I shall behead them with my sword.” Abû Bakr stated, “I shall not let your enemies pass the Sirât Bridge.”See the punishment for becoming the enemy of Abu Bakr as sideeq? beheading! as narrated by the best qadhi from amongst the sahaba and the ummah, Ali Asad Allah
*How some people attempt to curse any of these pious sahaba is beyond me. Verily only the munafiqun curse the sahaba and try to say Imam Ali (ra) and Abu Bakr as-sideeq (ra) did not love each other. *
*If one of the attributes of any of these men were to be shared amongst the 1.5 Billion Muslims today we would not be in the state we are in. *
May Allah (swt) teach us to love them, follow them and learn from them.
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It is not necessary that every quote is narrated by a chains of narrators..infact this is kept only for prophet(pbuh) due to significance and importance of ahadees...other than that there are many incidents quoted in history books by great scholars and sufis like abdul qadir jilani...shiek ahmed sarhindi (mujaddad alaf sani) and shah wali ullah dehalvi...but with no narrators ...never means that the incident was wrong ...yes the purity of wordings is not kept as in case of ahadees but it does not implies that they are wrong...infact when scholars and sufis of such a high rank state something on thier own account....thier quote itself
is a kind of "daleel"......
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So everything cannot be in Siha sitta..infact bukhari rejected a large portion of siha sitta... means that everything cannot be in ahadees books... like many things narrated in Tareek Tabari and ibne khuldoon but not in ahadees...so it means that they are totally wrong !!!!!!!!
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VERY GOOD STORY , HOWEVER READ THIS AS WELL:
Fatimah said to Caliph Abu Bakr, ’ Give Fadak to me because the Holy
Prophet had reserved it for me’ and presented Ali as her witness. He (Abu
Bakr) demanded another witness. She produced Umme Aiman. He said, ’ O
daughter of the Prophet! You know that evidence is not complete unless it
is given by one man and two women’. Hearing this she went away.
it is established that Fatimah said to Abu Bakr ’ Give
Fadak to me, since the Prophet of Allah had reserved it for me’ . In reply
she was asked to produce witnesses who were afterwards rejected.
How strange that “Gate of knowledge” as witness is not acceptable to Calipha 1st , and here you have right a story of love.
A narration attributed to Aisha reports:
“Fatima the daughter of the Prophet sent someone to Abu Bakr (when he was a caliph), asking for her inheritance of what Allah’s Apostle had left of the property bestowed on him by Allah from the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) in Medina, and Fadak, and what remained of the Khumus of the Khaibar booty. On that, Abu Bakr said, "Allah’s Apostle said, “Our property is not inherited. Whatever we leave, is Sadaqa, but the family of (the Prophet) Muhammad can eat of this property.’ By Allah, I will not make any change in the state of the Sadaqa of Allah’s Apostle and will leave it as it was during the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle, and will dispose of it as Allah’s Apostle used to do.” So Abu Bakr refused to give anything of that to Fatima. So she became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not task to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband 'Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself. … [2]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_Fatimah,_Fadak_and_Abu_Bakr#_note-0)
al-Bukhari reported in his Sahih that Abu Walid said that Ibn 'Uyayna reported on the authority of 'Amr b. Dinar on the authority of Ibn Abi Malika, on the authority of al-Miswar b. Mukhrima that the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) said: “Fatima is a part of me, and whoever angers, her angers me”. “Fatima is a part of me, and whatever she detests, I detest and what hurts her, hurts me”. If the Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) becomes angry when his part, al-Zahra, gets angry, and suffers for her suffering, it follows therefore that she is preserved from all errors; otherwise it would not have been permissible for the Prophet (S.A.W.) to say something like this.
In volume four, page 149, al-Bukhari reported in his Sahih in “The Book of The Beginning of Creation” and in “The Chapter [entitled] ‘Al-Yaman informed us’” which Muslim also reported in his Sahih, in “The Book on the Merits of the Companions” in “The Chapter On the Merits of Abu Bakr, the Truthful (R)”: from Abu Hurayra, who said: “The Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) prayed the morning prayer then faced the people and said: 'Once a man was leading a cow, rode on it and beat it whereupon it said: ‘We were not created for this. We were created for tilling [the land]’. The people said: ‘Glory be to Allah! A cow speaking?’ He said: 'I believe in this, Abu Bakr and ‘Umar also do’. They were not present. 'And once there was a man amongst his flocks, a wolf raided them and took a sheep. So the man pursued him until he came close to rescuing it. The wolf said: ‘You are rescuing it from me and who will rescue it on the day of hunting when there will be no shepherd for it, but me?’ The people said: ‘Glory be to Allah, a wolf speaking?’ He said: 'I believe in this, Abu Bakr and ‘Umar also do’. The two were not present”.
Please Please read you books then Make a Love story between Imam ALi (as) and First Caliph.
ALI IS GATE OF KNOWLEGE AND ABU BAKAR IS NOR GATE NEITHER CITY.
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Subhan-Allah
...is their anyone better, to take inspiration from and whoes example to follow, besides Muhammad (saaw) and his companions.
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I have never participated in shia sunni discussions and never do I try to argue about any of Suhabas (r.a) because I am not even equal to the dust of the feet of every single suhaba. (ra)
BUT "HERE" I WONT REMAIN QUIET!!! because the Suhabas were not perfect and they might have made small mistake but THE PROPET (SAW) was pure from all mistakes
Regardless of who had what differences with whom and what Shias and Sunnis think about the Suhabas, ANY person with a "Common sense" would realize that the Prophet (saw) was the purest of all, and he (saw) never ever spoke badly or ironicaly and never uttered a bad word in anyone's absence even against the worst enemies of ISlam like Abu jehel, Abu lahab...etc which all the Kaffirs at that time and all the NON MUSLIM HISTORIANS in the present also believe.Not a single "KAFFIR" has yet been able to point out even a single "minor" flaw in the personality of the Prophet (saw) in 1400 years , AND you expect us to believe that he spoke in this manner against his companions who were with him all their live in all the battles.** CAN YOUR COMMON SENSE ALLOWS YOU TO EVEN IMAGINE FOR A SECOND THAT THE PUREST HUMAN BEING ON EARTH THAT IS THE PROPHET (SAW) WOULD UTTER SUCH WORDS FOR EVEN THE WORST PERSON ON EARTH AND THAT TOO IN THEIR "ABSENSE" (which is called Gheebat) And that to in an IRONIC manner, and that too by comparing with ANIMALS !!!!!!!!!!!**
I don't care who said it and where it is written but I simply won't believe in it even if all the MUSLIMS of the world are against me and even if I am slaughtered for it!!!!!!
No doubt this would be the worst "Bohtaan" on the Prophet (saw) and Allah would clear it inshAllah on the day of judgement
May Allah (swt) bless us all with the wisdom to be able to differenciate between good and bad.
MAy Allah forgive me if I ever say anything against HIS liking as I shared what I sincerely felt and honestly understood from heart
ALLAH KNOWS BEST!!
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[quote=Submission To Peace]
I have never participated in shia sunni discussions and never do I try to argue about any of Suhabas (r.a) because I am not even equal to the dust of the feet of every single suhaba. (ra)
BUT "HERE" I WONT REMAIN QUIET!!!
Regardless of who had what differences with whom and what Shias and Sunnis think about the Suhabas, ANY person with a "Common sense" would realize that the Prophet (saw) was the purest of all, and he (saw) never ever spoke badly or ironicaly and never uttered a bad word in anyone's absence even against the worst enemies of ISlam like Abu jehel, Abu lahab...etc which all the Kaffirs at that time and all the NON MUSLIM HISTORIANS in the present also believe.Not a single "KAFFIR" has yet been able to point out even a single "minor" flaw in the personality of the Prophet (saw) in 1400 years , AND you expect us to believe that he spoke in this manner against his companions who were with him all their live in all the battles.** CAN YOUR COMMON SENSE ALLOWS YOU TO EVEN IMAGINE FOR A SECOND THAT THE PUREST HUMAN BEING ON EARTH THAT IS THE PROPHET (SAW) WOULD UTTER SUCH WORDS FOR EVEN THE WORST PERSON ON EARTH AND THAT TOO IN THEIR "ABSENSE" (which is called Gheebat) And that to in an IRONIC manner, and that too by comparing with ANIMALS !!!!!!!!!!!**
I don't care who said it and where it is written but I simply won't believe in it even if all the MUSLIMS of the world are against me and even if I am slaughtered for it!!!!!!
No doubt this would be the worst "Bohtaan" on the Prophet (saw) and Allah would clear it inshAllah on the day of judgement
May Allah (swt) bless us all with the wisdom to be able to differenciate between good and bad.
I repect you veiws and i happy that you have good intention, but you be shocked i am righ more information from the books of Sahih Muslim and bukhair, where disgrating Prophet hood is mention very openly,,
this is person and auther of the books which you think ,was a close companion of prophet Mohammad (pbuh) who is degration prophet hood and his family.
for ur information i am giving you only few hadith:
"O ye who believe! Be ye not like those who hurt Moses, but Allah cleared him of the (calumnies) they had uttered: and he was honorable in Allah's sight." S. 33:69
The Muslim traditions provide the reason why this verse was allegedly "sent down":
Sahih Al-Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 616:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "(The Prophet) Moses was a shy person and used to cover his body completely because of his extensive shyness. One of the children of Israel hurt him by saying, 'He covers his body in this way only because of some defect in his skin, either leprosy or scrotal hernia, or he has some other defect.' Allah wished to clear Moses of what they said about him, so one day while Moses was in seclusion, he took off his clothes and put them on a stone and started taking a bath. When he had finished the bath, he moved towards his clothes so as to take them, but the stone took his clothes and fled; Moses picked up his stick and ran after the stone saying, 'O stone! Give me my garment!' Till he reached a group of Bani Israel who saw him naked then, and found him the best of what Allah had created, and Allah cleared him of what they had accused him of. The stone stopped there and Moses took and put his garment on and started hitting the stone with his stick*. By Allah, the stone still has some traces of the hitting, three, four or five marks.* THIS IS WAS WHAT ALLAH REFERS TO IN HIS SAYING:-- "O you who believe! Be you not like those Who annoyed Moses, But Allah proved his innocence of that which they alleged, And he was honorable In Allah's Sight." (33.69)
Volume 1, Book 5, Number 277:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, ‘By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.’ So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, ‘My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone!’ till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, ‘By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body.’ Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating." Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the Prophet Job (Aiyub) was taking a bath naked, golden locusts began to fall on him. Job started collecting them in his clothes. His Lord addressed him, ‘O Job! Haven't I given you enough so that you are not in need of them.’ Job replied, ‘Yes! By Your Honor (power)! But I cannot dispense with Your Blessings.’"
Sahih Al-Muslim
Book 030, Number 5850:
Abu Huraira reported that Moses was a modest person. He was never seen naked and Banu Isra'iI said: (He was afraid to expose his private part) because he had been suffering from scrotal hernia. He (one day) took bath in water and placed his garments upon a stone. The stone began to move on quickly. He followed that and struck it with the help of a stone (saying): O stone, my garment; O stone, my garments, O stone; until it stopped near the big gathering of Israi'l, AND THIS VERSE WAS REVEALED (PERTAINING TO THE INCIDENT): "O you who believe, be not like those who maligned Moses, but Allah cleared him of what they said, and he was worthy of regard with Allah" (xxxiii. 69). Book 003, Number 0669:
Could you please let me know, that is companion do like this???? to degrate prophethood.?/
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Healthy mind..for how many times you will provide the fadak dispute and how many times we will answer you ?????????
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Yes abu bakar
(ra) was not a gate of any city..he was himself the city of love and obey of prophet(pbuh)......
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Summission to peace... i respect ypour views but you do not know ..twisting quran and ahadees is a favourite hobby for them for 1400 years,....