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*Originally posted by CM: *
I love the way people "see" points within the thread. All i said losing it was a blessing in disguise. Faisal please dont be an idiot. I know its hard but try. Economically BD has not progressed much. It was a blessing in disguise that we lost it. Its time people forget the past and move on.
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CM, I know you are an extremely immature person who can not put together two sentences without name-calling. However try to clean your mouth next time you post on GUPSHUP. Your attempts at flaming are lame and are inconsistent with this forum.
We come on GUPSHUP to discuss issues and offer our opinion. Not to listen to kids like you running around mouthing off.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
I only buy the argument that it was so far away and we had India in between, so it was a logistical nightmare for Pakistan.
The rest of the excuses... different culture, floods, poor economy etc... are a wash. We don't spin off parts of our country just because people have a different culture or are poor or have floods. Its inane.
End of the day, we (West Pakistanis) behaved badly and as a result the people of East Pakistan rose up and kicked us out. That is the simple truth. And instead of clapping and gloating over losing half of our country, if we learn the lessons of this split to make sure the remaining Pakistan does not get smaller, that will be a big help.
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Well Said.
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CM:
I never said it was a good thing that we split.
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Well, the topic of the thread you made is 'Losing Bangladesh the best thing for Pakistan'. Best thing = good thing right?
yawn Rude. Agreed. Immature. Agreed. But exucse you i brush and floss 3 times a day.
Plus kids like me go running around mouthing off because nobody of real calibre is around to discuss things with it.
Spock it wasnt a good thing we split. However once we had split was turned out for the best. Hindsight is 20/20. Losing half of your nation is not good. But hell we are better for it. Economically it was the best option.
CM bhai, I am glad you agree with on the 'split not being a good thing'. As for your other argument (economics), I agree with you. However, dont you think we should put it in the past, not bringing it up, especially as a sign of our glory. We have four other provinces to worry about now, and there are anti-Pakistani elements in the country who would love to see provincial disharmony flowing up again, and bringing the whole East Pakistan issue is a starting point for them. I would love to hear your view on that.
CM and Spock: yaars, we are all on the same side, we must work to improve our Pakistan and let Bangladesh go. Indeed the past has thought us to be more careful, as we cannot afford to lose any more of Pakistan. We must either co-opt or vanquish any and all anti-Pakistan elements and troublemakers. Don't forget the role of the Bengali Hindus in East Pakistan.
We are poised to become a stronger nation economically, so let the naysayers complain, no one can stop a rising Pakistan.
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Imdad is it your goal in life to be as anti-Pakistan as possible?
Anyway sour grapes or not the economic reasoning stands. Sindh doesnt account for a majority of our revenue. Karachi does. So lets get of Sindh as well. Lets keep on Karachi.
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No, my goal in life is to be truthfull and make sure that Pakistanis are also truthfull to themselves about their history. The more we prtend we did no wrong in 71, the more their will be a chance we will repeat those mistakes again.
And you are right about Karachi's contribution to Sindh and Pakistan, yet all of our revenue ends up in Islamabad. So please spare us and just admit that losing BD was the fault of army and ruling junta of west pakistan.
Warning bells going off in my head that i shouldn't involve myself in this thread, but the "evil" part of my character just won't resist :~P
What about from Bangladesh's perspective? Maybe they too are gleeful that they are no longer a part of Pakistan, subsequent to everything that occurred. Yes their economy is in the doldrums (relatively speaking), it's still an LDC but - who knows. i bet if you ask the majority of Bengalis, they will probably be extremely happy for diverse reasons.
Maybe losing Pakistan was the best thing for Bangladesh. i agree with some of the sentiments expressed here - we should learn from our "mistakes" in history.
True... I've got tons of Bangladesi friends, and whilst they might might complain about their country being "screwed up", they are generally glad not to be part of Pakistan.
The only Bangladeshis I know who would like t be part of Pakistan do not give any economic or cultural reasons; they are Islamists who want Bangladesh and Pakistan reunited for the ideological reason that Bangladesh's independence was unislamic, sinful, and must be undone.
Well, thats just like us happy to be not a part of India anymore... Nothing more, nothing less... And yeah, we didnt give them a nice treatment, all those stories of loot, rape and chaos are not false. And Nadia, can we leave the obsession with American imperialism in World Affairs? This is Pakistan Affairs.
Btw, we should not be quick to condemn East Pakistani’s/Bangladeshi’s as traitors, as they were far more in favour of the creation of Pakistan than those in the western wing.
>>...we should not be quick to condemn East Pakistani's/Bangladeshi's as traitors....
Malik, Thanks for your input. Just out of curiosity, sorry if it's a dumb question, but how would they in particular even be considered as traitors for wanting to split considering all the historical [bloody] events that occurred leading upto their official independence ? Given what occurred, it was a very natural sequence of events i think. Just curious to understand the 'other' pov.
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And you are right about Karachi's contribution to Sindh and Pakistan, yet all of our revenue ends up in Islamabad.
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I gues from karachi's viewpoint it does not matter whether revenue ends up in larkana or rawalpindi, as long as it does not land in karachi.
Sindh without karachi is like baluchistan..
the same chant of "unfair" that sindhis can say about revenue generated in sindh going to other areas..could be better said by karachi..because they generated that revenue, they should have first dibs on it..not interior sindh.
You are right Fraudia, and this is one of the reasons that many mohajirs are reluctant to push too far for provincial autonomy. This is getting way off topic so lets leave it at that.
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**Why you wanna consider other's traitor when particularly you haven't lost anything? Whoever behaved aggresively would be the traitor. Why dont you take into considertaion of Road and revenues that someone already mentioned?
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Please elaborate. Maybe i'm going blind but i wasn't able to find a discussion of roads in the previous page of this thread. Thank you in advance.
what moral basis is there for the pathans not to have pakhtunistan? "shameful" to lose part of your country? Isnt that what India's stance is in Kashmir?