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Seems like in YOUR book, there is ONLY ONE kind of working mom: The professional mom who has boundless energy and can conquer the work front and the home life and who has also has a supportive husband who took care of the home while she was away......OR......the working husband who takes on an equal share of the household responsibilities. The real world doesn't work in such a black and white way, Bob, as it does in your head.

Guess what? There isn't just one type of working mother. There are scores of working moms out there that are single parents. And it's a matter of simple math. When you are a single parent....you have MORE on your plate because you don't have the support of a spouse/partner. And in marriages where BOTH parents work, it IS more difficult to come home after a long day and devote time toward the kids. That's just understandable common sense.

Seems like in YOUR book, there is ONLY ONE kind of housewife...."the failed housewife with the failing kids." I have only occasionally run into the lazy housewife. I won't provide you with statistics which, I know, is your obsession. But I can tell you what I have experienced during the many years as an educator. I have taught for several years at an Islamic school where most of the students' moms were housewives. The vast majority of my students were academically.......STRONG!!!!!!! They were also WELL BEHAVED and that school did not have the disturbing behavior issues found in school where the majority of the kids are being raised by SINGLE parents or where the majority of both parents are working. Being a housewife doesn't automatically make you a ....."loser with failed children"........because those women have more time to devote to the home and their children's needs without having to split that time and energy on their career. Again, there isn't just "one" type of housewife as there is in your head.

As for your assertion that only "jahil mothers" have kids that are behind.....you're wrong. Yes, the jaahil mothers are unable to adequately help their kids with things like homework. But I also see educated and literate parents failing to do the basics for their kids.

Andrew Tate is rich enough to where he doesn't require a wife's income to run his home. But.....unfortunately......this is not the case for every home. In many marriages, BOTH parents have to work in order to make ends meet and adequately support their families. In SUCH households....a woman NEEDS the support of her husband in the home too because it's hard for her to come home after a full-time job and manage the home and kids all by herself. But....alas.....not all husbands are supportive in this way. In marriages where the the husband earns well and where both partners have mutually decided that mom is going to be a homemaker........then mom...naturally (as per common sense) has more time to devote to her home and the kids.

You have romanticized the working mom, the single mom......and you vilify the woman that is a homemaker. Again, things are not black and white.

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Firstly we were talking about two parent homes, and about people who believe in gender roles,
It is a stat where if moms are university graduate, Children will also be. Stats are there where two parent homes kids do better.

You made an assertion that kids don’t do well when both parents work, I argued against it.All ladies in my family work and children have done amazing. My niece was a doctor at 22, nephew VP of BAC before he was 30.
Is there a stat you have where kids do better when mom stays at home?

Most of the households I know, men help with housework.
Do husbands not help in your social circle?

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Andrew Tate has overall tried to convey two things as far as I am able to understand:

1- Why are modern Western values not geared toward lifelong relationships?
2- Which kind of men and women in lifelong relationships stay happy?

You have a right to disagree with Andrew Tate. But with 70% of divorces initiated by women as you often quote, a woman who rejects traditional roles should rightly scare away a man who has marriage in mind. In western culture, the solution to every marriage dispute is divorce. If a man has options, and most in the top 20% do, it is only smart to pick a more traditional woman so there is clear separation of responsibilities, so there are fewer disputes, hence fewer chances of divorce. That way both can live happily ever after.

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One more thing about men in the top 20%. The top 20% in highschool is very different from the top 20% after 20 years of highschool. Many guys who make up the club later in life usually don’t have much experience with women, which can make their lives hell if they landed a feminist in sheep’s clothing. There’s a sentence Andrew Tate uses to tip off such guys, “she’s not yours, it’s just your turn” !

Whether it is East or West, Muslim or Atheist, marriage is a very traditional construct. Bringing in non-traditional values only puts stress on marriage. The greater the deviation, the greater the stress. People with non-traditional values can stay married only in 2 cases. Either they marry someone with traditional values who has the capability to bear all the stress piled by the non-traditional values of their spouse. Or there is an uninterrupted supply of lots of money to act as crutches which bear the stress of non-traditional values. There are many circumstances in which it makes perfect sense for a woman to work, however, if her husband tells her not to work then she should stop working and focus on household responsibilities. In fact, I have advised some women, who were confused about a rishta, to declare that they are not willing to work after marriage. The greedy guys ran away !

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Thank you for a good post.

I think that what many like AT have wrong is that most women are yearning for a lifelong relationship! They aren’t. Women by nature are selectors and they traditionally needed men to provide and protect, they don’t need men for that role anymore.

The other thing you may have wrong is that it is not about traditional or western values, it is more about oppression and exploitation. The same girl, when she comes here is standing inline in courts to seek alimony, and accusing of abuse etc.

Sams brother was supposed to marry a girl from Lahore, stunningly beautiful, she had a fiance visa, she came here unannounced and started doing psycho dramas, ran out in the building screaming assault, rape etc…she knew to play her cards, she was simultaneously having affairs with multiple guys. In Pak, since courts and society are not supportive she would probably be dealt with as per traditions.

The divorce rate amongst Muslims seems even higher than average in the west, almost all the young Pakistani background people here are already divorced, some on third, fourth marriage.

Maybe long term relationships are a thing of the past. There are 8 billion people on the planet so breeding shouldn’t be a top priority.

These traditional relationships only lasted a few decades, just a while back, there were sex slaves, Turks captured millions of Europeans. Sultans Harem had hundreds of sex slaves.

As per western laws, you can’t compel a woman, to work or not to work. Un my opinion it takes a minimum of 250K family income to have 2 kids, if people cannot put kids in activities like swimming, skating, skiing etc and not afford to put them thru Uni, than they should not have a family. It costs over 50K each for Sams daughters in Med school.

So how can a man dictate to my nieces, Sams daughters how to live their lives, when they will be making 500k a year.

I recall some stats where they say single women are happier than married ones.

Single men don’t do that well.

Maybe, its time to rethink the institution of marriage.

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In my conversations with Sam and her brother's struggles to find a match I came of the opinion that many eastern girls are looking for the best of both cultures, As a Muslim they say that they will not contribute a penny to finances and than they turn around and say that the husband should cook and clean. When I was with Dianne, she shovelled, he helped move, she helped paint, she helped with doing landscaping and contributed half and expected me to do house work.

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Interesting, to say the least. :chai:​

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From Gupshup to Bobbyshup:biggthumb:

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Its sad, very very sad. The fact that remainders of few posters have absolutely no sense of what GS actually was, is and should be is even more sad aspect. Like even if you try to tell them, they cant even fathom the reality of it.

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I always wanted to be a channel manager… can you make my wish come true?? you know, before it all ends??

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Sid_NY is selfmade police! Hum aap ko ghumaain gai!

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When you become one, do one thing please.

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When you become one, do one thing please.
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sab ko plan bata do :smack:

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You know i wanted to be channel manager, especially Life1 forum… have you made me yet or not??

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do it do it

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Azkar orders Sidny to pull the plug. He has had enough of Bobby too.

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It was bound to happen. Just sad Theorist never acknowledged my existence, I used to have a huge crush on her.

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where is my admin rights??

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Can't blame admins. All message boards, bar reddit, are dead. Social media killed all of them.