lets say ...just for the sake argument

[Jolie]

Re: lets say …just for the sake argument

@phoenixdesi

Jolie…you are simply taking it too far…you have absolutely no right to make a judgement call on Pakistani school system labeling them as breeding ground of fundamentalism producing narrow-minded kids … good for you that you did not spend one single day in any pakistani school and was born and raised in your** mahan england **but that does not necessarily make you more well informed or open minded…at least your posts dont reflect that… sorry!

tell you what Jolie, i always had an impression that you are not aware of ground realities in Pakistan and you just accepted that in so many words as you never lived there…

plus there are so many discrepancies in your post…on one end you want an open discussion but when some people criticize IK and his stand on taliban (and they have every right to do that by your own standards)), you call them “IK haters”…excuse me? that makes us IK haters? hate is a very very strong word Jolie…no one taught you that in UK school system?

you suddenly start labeling all those folks as part of “third world sham democracies, Pakistanis and pseudo- liberals from this forum” and lecture them*** to closely follow the Scottish Independence case**" … *excuse me?

i mean your whole narrative of open discussion is so flawed…you are the one who is showing dictatorial behavior on a continuous basis in every post and not willing to listen to anything yet you labeled us*** “similar to Taliban who quickly shout the word ‘kafir’ upon hearing a different view”***… and further called us ***“ridiculous, and reeks of insecurity, intolerance and lack of intellectual insight” ***wah wah kaya language hai

now lets go back to my post…based on what i have seen and read, i thought it reveals a disturbing ideological flaw inherently embedded in PTI supporter’s stand given the social fabric of majority of PTI voters…and upon reflection I showed concern on this behavior as it is driven more from a blind loyalty for IK and not by any sort of ideological commitment that PTI movement was supposed to be…and I as such reflected upon that behavior in my post…where did i label PTI supporters with all those things that you are labeling us with? I mean pls just look at your response…*

anyway be happy in your mahan england and keep thanking god that you did not have to spend one single day in that filthy place called Pakistan!
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First of all PD, thank you very much for not calling me wajib ul qatal, wajib ul drone attack, wajib ul jail time and wajib ul Altaf Hussain proposed butchering. Maybe things are not so bad after all.

Secondly, excellent display of selective logic and wisdom. You have no problem when damaging accusations and sour, frustrated judgments are made against PTI supporters for having difference of opinion (while they do not differ in their aims with others), yourself have made such an ill informed and narrow minded assumption in your post, but you decided to appear upset over an impression I’d drawn? Every other person posting on this forum thinks the person next to them have no knowledge about the ground realities, some even say that people living on ground have no idea about the realities around them. So let’s not waste time on arguing who knows how much and how.

Thirdly, why get so insecure and baffled when PTI supporters question army and PMLN? Why shouldn’t they? When every other person tells you that Imran’s views are so unpleasant and disliked then I ask you, why PMLN and army’s narrative didn’t come on top? If one one political party has difference of views, why on earth other parties and army didn’t form a solid policies? Now it’s a separate issue that PMLN really doesn’t differ in their policies with PTI and it was APC that agreed to launch peace negotiations and support it. But of course people like you would choose to focus on Imran, make him a central point of everything, start and end every debate on him, cannot look beyond him, never stopped talking about him and have the audacity to ask why he’s relevant and so talked about? What kind of logic is that? Doesn’t it sound like hypocrisy?

Fourthly, you are right, hate is a strong word and sad to say, I have seen more than strong reaction and hostility against that man for having an opinion is that I see no reason why not to use that word. It is what it is. Don’t you find it disturbing that Imran’s is literally more attacked and condemned than Taliban? In which civilised country, the leader of second largest part can be referred to as ‘Taliban Khan’ for just offering a different approach to finish this war? Can you any imagine any European leader being termed Nazi a by bunch of journalists and they not just get away with but be praised for it? You find nothing wrong with such toxic judgements? What do you have to say about such poisnous culture of political intolerance where you can’t even hear a differing view without calling another person a TTP supporter or a kafir? Why isn’t there a middle ground? Why must be labelled either a kafir/foreign agent or TTP supporter by extremists from both ends? You see nothing wrong in that?

Fifthly, please properly explain how PTI supporters’ ‘ideological commitment is flawed’. According to you vast majority of them belong to urban middle class who are genuinely secular and equipped with social and economic mobility. These are the people who want free, fair and a well established welfare society. So how on earth anyone could imagine these people have any support to Taliban’s Shariyat (in fact most of them don’t even like Pakistan current constitution with heavy Islamic influence), just because they think selective operation is not a solution and full fledged nation wide operation is something army will not commit to? They are criminals because they are pacifists? They are wajib ul qatal because they think enemy must be defeated differently? They cannot be taken seriously because they think all previous policies have failed to bring peace? They are shameless and callous for asking a swift and bloodless end to this war, so they can finally concentrate on nation building? They are traitorous for always considering heavy civilian casualties and massive scale material destruction? They are narrow minded and ill informed for asking army update the nation on current situation and just make any commitment, any small promise to defeat the enemy and bring peace? I’m waiting for you to yell “NO NO NO NO…WRONG..” and accuse me of having dictatorial behavior, whatever that means.

P.S Great Britain wasn’t called Great for no reason. Thanks for your kind words. Freedom is a wonderful thing, peace is an absolute blessing, and I am so glad to have both in my country. I hope Pakistanis also see and experience these miracle one day too.