Let it not be Islam!

anand · February 25, 2002, 6:35am

Friends/ shah jahan, we are in fact judging a religion for being so cruel with humans.

Hindus are not sane. Every year there are incidences of cruelty against low casts, minorities and against women. The same we can find in some fanatic mentality following different threads of Christianity.
But I do not think if all these atrocities against humanity are protected by the State and the law anywhere, in any country. Religion is also not a very big aspect, as there are always contradictions.

In Islam it is not the same. In an Islamic State you are cowardly afraid of law of blasphemy and cannot challenge any of Sharyat laws.

Islam is very rigid against civilization.

dirty_dawg · February 25, 2002, 10:28am

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Originally posted by anand:
**Friends/ shah jahan, we are in fact judging a religion for being so cruel with humans.

Hindus are not sane. Every year there are incidences of cruelty against low casts, minorities and against women. The same we can find in some fanatic mentality following different threads of Christianity.
But I do not think if all these atrocities against humanity are protected by the State and the law anywhere, in any country. Religion is also not a very big aspect, as there are always contradictions.

In Islam it is not the same. In an Islamic State you are cowardly afraid of law of blasphemy and cannot challenge any of Sharyat laws.

Islam is very rigid against civilization.

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So Islamic laws are strict.. and u know one would not commit any crimes if he knows he would be punished very badly.. (is that a bad thing)
or is that u r living in a islamic country and u wana commit crime but u r afraid of the consequences..

rvikz · February 25, 2002, 11:37am

Capital Punishment, Death Penalty in Islam

Equivalence is the Law [2:178-179]

In dealing with murder, the Quran definitely discourages capital
punishment (2:179). "The free for the free, the slave for the slave,
and the female for the female" (2:178). Due to human meanness and
injustice, many people cannot even imagine what this Quranic law says.
They refuse to accept the clear injunctions that strict equivalence
must be observed - if a woman kills a man, or a man kills a woman, or
a slave kills a free person, or a free person kills a slave, capital
punishment cannot be applied. The Quran prefers that the murderer
compensate the victim's family. Killing the murderer does not bring
the victim back, nor does the family of the victim benefit from
executing the murderer. The compensation, however, must be sufficient
to be a deterrent for others. In Islam (Submission), the victim and/or
the victim's family are the judges for all crimes; they decide what
the punishment shall be under the supervision of a person who knows
the Quran.

Punishment of the thief

If a thief steals a thousand dollars from you, and they put him in
prison, what do you get? If the thief has a wife and children, what
is their crime? Why should they be deprived of their father?

The Quran solves this problem, as well as the problems associated
with the criminal justice systems prevalent in today's world.

According to the Quranic criminal justice, the thief who is convicted
of stealing a thousand dollars from you must work for you until you
are fully paid for the thousand dollars you lost, plus any other
damage and inconvenience the theft may have caused you. At the same
time, the thief's innocent wife and children are not deprived of
their man, and the expensive prison system is eliminated. Imprisonment
is a cruel and inhumane punishment that has proven useless to all
concerned.

Contrary to common belief, the thief's hand shall not be cut off.
Thank God for His mercy and His mathematical miracle in the Quran,
we know now that the thief's hand is to be marked. Marking the hand
of the thief is stated in 5:38. The sura and verse numbers add up to
5+38 = 43. The other place in the Quran where "the hand is cut" is
found in 12:31. This is where we see the women who admired Joseph so
much, they "cut" their hands. Obviously, they did not sever their
hands; no one can do that. The sura and verse numbers add up to
12+31=43, the same total as in 5:38. This gives mathematical
confirmation that the Quranic law calls for marking the hand of the
thief, not severing it. Additional mathematical confirmation is
provided: 19 verses after 12:31, we see the "cutting of the hand"
again. Punishment in Islam (Submission) is based on equivalence and
social pressure (2:178, 5:38, 24:2).

Punishment for Adultery

The blasphemy called "Hadith & Sunna" has instituted stoning to death
as the punishment for married adulterers. This is not God's law. As
stated in 24:2, the punishment for adultery is whipping in public; a
hundred symbolic lashes. As pointed out above, the basic punishment is
social pressure and scandalizing the criminal. Whipping in public
achieves this goal.

key word is SYMBOLIC lashes

Banda-e-Nake · February 25, 2002, 3:38pm

LET QURAN TO SPEAK

An-Nisâ'
And whosoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment.
Allâh wishes to make clear (what is lawful and what is unlawful) to you, and to show you the ways of those before you, and accept your repentance, and Allâh is AllKnower, AllWise.
And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, We shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allâh.
Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allâh is Ever Most Powerful, AllWise.
O you who believe! Obey Allâh and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allâh and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.
Such is the Bounty from Allâh, and Allâh is Sufficient as AllKnower.
Give to the hypocrites] the tidings that there is for them a painful torment.
. They ask you for a legal verdict. Say: "Allâh directs (thus) about AlKalâlah (those who leave neither descendants nor ascendants as heirs). If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister, but no child, she shall have half the inheritance. If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, her brother takes her inheritance. If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance; if there are brothers and sisters, the male will have twice the share of the female. (Thus) does Allâh makes clear to you (His Law) lest you go astray. And Allâh is the All-Knower of everything."

anand · February 27, 2002, 9:24am

People have traveled a long way to reach some values that we know civilized today. Executive, legislative and judiciary are separated from each other.

A civilized court emphasizes that even hundred guilty may go scot-free but not a single innocent should be punished. Especially when it comes to death sentence the court has to be very sensitive, because once the sentence is executed, there is no compensation, suppose at a later stage it is proved that the person was not guilty.

Compare it to the Shryat court! Two three persons witness against someone, there is no counter examination, judge is the executer or vise versa, and the hanging and killing go open in public and that is in bulk…Is Allah so merciless!
Pls do not complain when you people are accused for shedding unnecessary blood!

dirty_dawg · February 27, 2002, 3:23pm

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Originally posted by anand:
**People have traveled a long way to reach some values that we know civilized today. Executive, legislative and judiciary are separated from each other.

A civilized court emphasizes that even hundred guilty may go scot-free but not a single innocent should be punished. Especially when it comes to death sentence the court has to be very sensitive, because once the sentence is executed, there is no compensation, suppose at a later stage it is proved that the person was not guilty.

Compare it to the Shryat court! Two three persons witness against someone, there is no counter examination, judge is the executer or vise versa, and the hanging and killing go open in public and that is in bulk…Is Allah so merciless!
Pls do not complain when you people are accused for shedding unnecessary blood!**
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Do u think we know more than God (Allah) Do u think man made system and Laws are better than God's (Allah's) system and laws..
how could two different system coexist within each other I mean communism as a system can not be part or cooperate with the democratic system or vise versa and these are man-made systems so how could a system from the creator of man coexist and be part of the man-made systems.

system · February 27, 2002, 6:41pm

Stoning to deeath and flogging is as valid today as it was more than 1400 years ago. If a nation does not enforce thse punishmnets, then it is not anti islamic...it is just a choice. The act of not enforcing sharia punishment is not haram (id like to know if this is not the case). Iran and KSA are the only 2 countries where sharia is enforced and the sharia laws of the Taliban were also under way.
I am pro death penalty. People want retribution and this is what the purpose of the state should be to punish the culprit so that emotions regarding injustice can be dealt with in fair manner and the hurt party doesnt go and manifest their anger in a deleterious way. One of the safest state in US is Texas and the safest country in the world to live in is KSA.
As reagrds who fits the criteria for punishment, it is anyone who fits the criteria of the culprit and that is a person who is provebn guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The punishment applies equally to both men and women and in the same intensity. And whether the sentence should be carried out or not depends on the victim's party. Ofcourse for a muslims to forgive is the greatest virtue.
If someone talks about the corruption in the law courts of an Islamic country like that of Pakistan, than it has nothing to do with the laws and their stated boundaries. Its like saying that the US constitution says all men are equal then discriminating with its own citizens who were not white.

[This message has been edited by Sultan Toora (edited February 27, 2002).]