Leadership

I am amazed my bored musings got a response. Now I can't respond to every single post, nor do I wish to. However I will touch each subject to further the discussion. Leaders do not require permission to come forward and lead their people. Leadership I also believe is an inherent quality. One that can not be learned or taught. We have no such leadership on the ground in Pakistan not because people are not allowed to come forward. Rather because people do not give a bloody damn. Apathy is our greatest enemy and rampant among Pakistani society.

The first issue is responsibility for the rot and the issue of alternatives. Its amazing how cynical you lot are. The general sentiment is that who gives a damn whose at fault when we can't fix it. Allocating blame and demand judgement even if it is in theory is necessary. One can not let others run amok because there is no accountability. As they say where there is a will there is a way. Sadly these days there is no will among the general populace to make their leaders accountable.

Foundations are the key to any structure. Sadly our foundations are lacking. The one thing that irritates me the most amongst Pakistani society and that is extremely evident in this forum is that people are not arguing on the merits of truth, justice or ethics. Rather every son of a ***** is taking political sides like his chacha or mama is a Bhutto or a Sharif. This comes to the point Spock made. Yes I did say that Sharif had some moral backbone, but that does not mean he is beyond reproach or an angel sent from heaven. Among the current lot he has the only one who stuck to his word. In any political system that is amazing, be it the US, EU or Pakistan. Having done so he should be applauded. But he should be lashed for his sins as well. This illustrates my continued disgust with Pakistani society. Regardless of the validity of the point people need to support their political parties without questioning the ethical and moral values of their parties.

Ironically the fundos are the only ones that show true loyal and that is scary as hell considering how weak our other institutions are.

The sad part of all of this is that the average Pakistani is unwilling to see the faults in his supported leadership. Rather they are ready to heap blame on everybody else and not look on their own actions.

That is a fault of leadership and the corruption within our society. The Bhutto Family, the Sharif family, the military lot have raped and pillaged the social fabric of Pakistani society and people go out to vote for them anyway. Allah knows why. The average Pakistani is not a complete ****ing dumbass. Yet they support these crooks like Jahils.

Another symptom of our failing society, the inability to accept that we have *ed up and instead look to examples worse than ours to show that we are doing better. Simply put, if you D in a class, but 3 others fail it doesn't change the fact that you got a D. So what if there are societies worse than ours. That doesn't change the fact that your society is still *ed up. I would suggest that this displacement should be stopped for the general good.

I was just stating my point of view not replying to you initially. but as you asked me I can also raise a question that why there were no real leaders emerged from the states who are democratic (namely usa, england, france, australia, india, japan, etc) in last couple of decades and where no major/visible military control over the body of politics.

There is no "need" in those countries, they have institutions, check'n'balance to sort out who is good and who is not. These countries haven't seen army taking over when they desire or corrupt politicians getting pardoned and having their way with national resources as they please etc.

I totally agree with you in this regard and I think thats what I was also trying to say. Leaders are needed and emerged (for lucky nations) when situation is bad. Nobody can stop a leader, he is suppose to lead the nation out of the crises. If there was no WWII who knows what happens to Churchil or if there is no civil war in USA maybe nobody knows Lincoln. Same way if english never came to India maybe we never needed the talents of Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

CM good example.

Let me expand on your example. So Pakistan has a D grade when it comes to leadership and I bet you want to score an A in this category. Then how would you go from D to A?

Everyone tells what's wrong with Pakistan. Have you guys ever though about "What's right about our country"?